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Should Postulant's Outfits Be More Aesthetically Pleasing?

More Aesthetic Postulant Outfits?  

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  1. 1. Should Postulant Outfits be More Aesthetically Pleasing?

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    • Depends (please provide reasons below)
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ThyHolyLove    3
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As long as we're talking about postulant outfits I'll point out TheresaMF (Ida)'s post about her [url="http://www.theresamf.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_theresamf_archive.html#115880184706303948"]postulant dress[/url]. From that post it seems like she'll be wearing the old school postulant clothes, complete with cape and swinging rosary!

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Veritas    0
Veritas
[quote name='brendan1104' post='1069356' date='Sep 21 2006, 12:36 PM']
The Nashville Dominican postulants wear a chapel veil, but those with SSME don't.
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Some SMME postulants DO wear the chapel veil :) While all Nashville postulants wear the veil. I'm guessing it's optional with SMME, but required with Nashville? I never talked with S. Joseph Andrew or S. Mary Emily about it myself...

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Chiquitunga    817
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My favorite postulant outfit is the one worn by the Discalced Carmelites in Buffalo, NY.

They have a brown dress with a cape top and a black leather belt (but not with a Rosary yet). The dress is not as long as a habit but still long. I think it's good for postulants to have a cape top to get used to putting their hands under their habits. Also for the refectory and for work, with the kind of dress they have, they get used to folding up their sleeves and pining them as the others sisters with habits must.

They have a long simple white veil that covers all the hair. I like the idea of having postulants wear a veil. They can immediately have the freedom of not having to do their hair in the morning to focus on the spiritual, and it looks a lot nicer. I also like how it is long, as it looks more elegant. And it thinks it's nice that their veils are white.

Then they wear long black socks and simple tie up black shoes.

I agree that there's merit in having an ugly postulant dress, so the day of entrance into the novitiate is more eagerly awaited. But still, the full Carmelite habit with the scapular is much greater than this dress.

I thinks it's definitely good for the postulants to have some kind of uniform, that's not too ugly, and with a simple veil.

My favorite postulant outfit is the one worn by the Discalced Carmelites in Buffalo, NY.

They have a brown dress with a cape top and a black leather belt (but not with a Rosary). The dress is not as long as a habit but still pretty long. I think it's good for postulants to have a cape top to get used to putting their hands under their habits. Also for the refectory and for work, with the kind of dress they have, they get used to folding up their sleeves and pining them as the others sisters with habits must.

They have a long simple white veil that covers all the hair. I like the idea of having postulants wear a veil. They can immediately have the freedom of not having to do their hair in the morning to focus on the spiritual, and it looks a lot nicer. I also like how it is long, as it looks more elegant. And it thinks it's nice that their veils are white.

Then they wear long black socks and simple tie up black shoes.

I agree that there's merit in having an ugly postulant dress, so the day of entrance into the novitiate is more eagerly awaited. But still, the full Carmelite habit with the scapular is much greater than this dress.

I thinks it's definitely good for the postulants to have some kind of uniform, that's not too ugly and with a simple veil. Edited by Margaret Clare

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franciscanheart    3,346
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i really don't think it's a huge deal as long as they are able to be worked in. religious do not enter communities hoping for something aesthetically pleasing... or at least i would hope not.

the postulant pictured [url="http://franciscansisterscfr.com/postulant.htm"]here[/url] is a great example of something workable but not necessarily pleasing to the eye. (it is very pleasing to me but that is because i hope to someday wear it.. God's will be done.)

i like that this postulant does not wear the veil for the reason mentioned (somewhere) above. i like that the women are veiled when they become novices. it's another outward sign of an inner growth.

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Chiquitunga    817
Chiquitunga
[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1072836' date='Sep 23 2006, 03:29 PM']
i really don't think it's a huge deal as long as they are able to be worked in. religious do not enter communities hoping for something aesthetically pleasing... or at least i would hope not.

the postulant pictured [url="http://franciscansisterscfr.com/postulant.htm"]here[/url] is a great example of something workable but not necessarily pleasing to the eye. (it is very pleasing to me but that is because i hope to someday wear it.. God's will be done.)

i like that this postulant does not wear the veil for the reason mentioned (somewhere) above. i like that the women are veiled when they become novices. it's another outward sign of an inner growth.
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Actually, you're right - it's really not a big deal at all. And definitely you don't enter a community looking for something aesthetically pleasing as you said - but the opposite actually- something poor and lowly.

This reminds me of a line I read on the site made about the Sisters of Bethlehem in Livingston Manor, that recently went down (praiseofglory.com). Someone made the site who visited them. It read "I did not see any preoccupation with the habit. (men may not understand this, but women can get vain over sackcloth.) "

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angelusdomini    0
angelusdomini
[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1064938' date='Sep 17 2006, 05:55 AM']
Tonsure is the symbol of the crown of thorns - the head is shaved apart from a ring of hair around the head. The precise form varies: the old Celtic monastics' tonsure only went around the back of the head.

I don't think it's done much anymore, either amongst the secular clergy or religious (whether ordained or not). The few seculars I know only have a small shaved patch at the crown of the head, and they're now all of an age where...hm...let's say perhaps they don't need to maintain it.

Hope this helps a little.

Love and prayers,

PP
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The Carmelite Monks at Carmel of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (Diocese of Cheyenne, WY) wear the tonsure. They also us the Tridentine Rite and follow the reform of Sts. Theresa of Avila and John of the Cross. They give a wonderful explanation for the symbolism of the tonsure on their page dealing with the Holy Habit. <http://www.carmelitemonks.org/index.html>

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franciscanheart    3,346
franciscanheart
[quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1073051' date='Sep 23 2006, 07:31 PM']
Actually, you're right - it's really not a big deal at all. And definitely you don't enter a community looking for something aesthetically pleasing as you said - but the opposite actually- something poor and lowly.

This reminds me of a line I read on the site made about the Sisters of Bethlehem in Livingston Manor, that recently went down (praiseofglory.com). Someone made the site who visited them. It read "I did not see any preoccupation with the habit. (men may not understand this, but women can get vain over sackcloth.) "
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I'm not really sure how one responds to the above. I guess it will do to say I like this post. :idontknow:

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Chiquitunga    817
Chiquitunga
[quote name='brandelynmarie' post='1074802' date='Sep 25 2006, 03:33 PM']
:lol_above: "women can get vain over sackcloth"....oh my goodness, :yes: !
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Oh, hello. I think some of you guys got a kick out of the little quote I posted. It is pretty funny and has a lot of truth to it.

But I wanted to apologize to any of you guys that had good things to say about making the habit prettier or just in general about the habit, like the yahoo forum on the religious habit. Because at the same time, it is good for Brides of Christ, especially ministering to the people, to reflect the dignity of their calling and give witness to the beauty and order of God. "Whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God." 1 Corinthians 10:31

But I thought the quote was good nevertheless, because it can be sooo true.

Peace to all!


Margaret :j

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ThyHolyLove    3
ThyHolyLove
I thought y'all might want to see these pics, they are from the IHM's in Scranton PA. It shows the postulants and nuns habit changing over the years. Very cool!

[url="http://ihmnew.marywood.edu/2.OurHistory/PictorialArchives/Membership/Membership.htm"]IHM postulants[/url]

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veritas99    2
veritas99
In Alton we wore jumpers and they were actually pretty comfortbale, I was surprised. We had two pockets in our slip, that we could get to through a slit on our jumper. Heather and I had a real hard time at first figuring out what to do with our hands. We were so use to shoving them in pockets. One day I asked Sr.Beata what are we suppose to do with our hands and she told us to just leave them at our sides. It felt really awkward and Heather and I looked like big dorks until we became more relaxed and comfortbale. Wearing the jumper made me a lot more aware of my posture for some reason.
Our blouses buttoned in the back which took me a few days to get use to, also having mutlitple layers was hard. I was just constantly sweating and final my body adjusted.

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Sr Mary Catharine OP    1,610
Sr Mary Catharine OP
[quote name='veritas99' post='1083706' date='Oct 4 2006, 11:13 AM']
In Alton we wore jumpers and they were actually pretty comfortbale, I was surprised. We had two pockets in our slip, that we could get to through a slit on our jumper. Heather and I had a real hard time at first figuring out what to do with our hands. We were so use to shoving them in pockets. One day I asked Sr.Beata what are we suppose to do with our hands and she told us to just leave them at our sides. It felt really awkward and Heather and I looked like big dorks until we became more relaxed and comfortbale. Wearing the jumper made me a lot more aware of my posture for some reason.
Our blouses buttoned in the back which took me a few days to get use to, also having mutlitple layers was hard. I was just constantly sweating and final my body adjusted.
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Tray, now I can ask you what I wanted to ask! Did your jumpers have a sort of "kick pleat" in the front and back? It looked like it from the photo. The ones I've been making for our postulants does but it is a lot of work!
We have slits in our habits to get to our pockets. I never thought of that for postulants. Usually,we just have possie's bring half or whole slips to wear underneath. Did you have "nun skirts" under your jumper?
Oh, women! Don't we love to compare clothes!

SMC

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veritas99    2
veritas99
[quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1083722' date='Oct 4 2006, 10:37 AM']
Tray, now I can ask you what I wanted to ask! Did your jumpers have a sort of "kick pleat" in the front and back? It looked like it from the photo. The ones I've been making for our postulants does but it is a lot of work!
We have slits in our habits to get to our pockets. I never thought of that for postulants. Usually,we just have possie's bring half or whole slips to wear underneath. Did you have "nun skirts" under your jumper?
Oh, women! Don't we love to compare clothes!

SMC
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What's a "kick pleat""? We had a pleat in the front and back, it was kind of a pain to iron. When I would iron my jumper I think I would make it worse. Heather would jsut laugh at me. The slip was long and alomt like a jumper itself and made of cotton. It had two pockets in the front. Then our blouse went over the slip and the blouse buttoned in the back. Then we put our jumper on that had a small zipper on the left side. The slit in our jumper was by the pleat so we could get into our pockets. Jsut inside the the slit there was a little loop that we could string our keys on. In my grey jumper the slit was onthe right and in my black one the slit was on the left. Heather's wasn't like that though. I would have an identity crisis every sunday and monday because I would be trying to force my hand into a pocket that wasn't there. It was amusing.

What are "nun skirts"?

The trick is remember to take your chapstick out of you slip pocket or out of one of the many pockets in your habit ( for those who wear them) before throwing it in the laundry. In the bathroom by where we throw our laundry there are gentle reminders about removing your chaptstick and pens from pockets.

The canonical novices said they were so excited to receive the habit because now they have more pockets. They liked to make fun of heather and I with our two little pockets.

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Jennifer    142
Jennifer
It was lovely to see the old photos of the IHM Postulants in their black dresses and bonnets but didn't they look very serious.!! :( :( :( Far different from those cheerful souls we see today. :D: :D: :D:

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stlmom    28
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:idontknow: Sheesh! All this fuss over postulant clothes! I say live by the K.I.S.S. rule: Keep It Simple Sisters! I think the [url="http://www.sistersihmofwichita.org/pages/postulant.htm"]IHM Sisters of Wichita KS[/url] have done it by going to a long sleeved blouse and skirt with sweater, maybe a chapel veil, too. :thumbsup:
Have a great day everyone!

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Sr Mary Catharine OP    1,610
Sr Mary Catharine OP
[quote name='stlmom' post='1083811' date='Oct 4 2006, 01:28 PM']
:idontknow: Sheesh! All this fuss over postulant clothes! I say live by the K.I.S.S. rule: Keep It Simple Sisters! I think the [url="http://www.sistersihmofwichita.org/pages/postulant.htm"]IHM Sisters of Wichita KS[/url] have done it by going to a long sleeved blouse and skirt with sweater, maybe a chapel veil, too. :thumbsup:
Have a great day everyone!
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Hey, I agree with you! We did the skirt/blouse for awhile but some people can look dumpy in that and the jumper and blouse look neater. Our jumpers are very easy to make...I was the stupid one who thought that the pattern with the pleats in the front looked nice and wouldn't be too much work. I'm actually eliminating them.

Pockets are a necessity for monastery life! Our postulants have one and they want more but they can do with one. As for the slit in the habit to get at the pockets, it's really great. It makes things a lot easier.

What I meant by "Nun skirts" was cotton slips that are almost like skirts yet are slips.

We're always being reminded to remove everything from our pockets and at Regular Chapter when we do the venia if you forget to take stuff out of your right pocket (the side we lie on) well, OUCH!

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zunshynn    157
zunshynn
[quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1083868' date='Oct 4 2006, 11:28 AM']
Pockets are a necessity for monastery life! Our postulants have one and they want more but they can do with one. As for the slit in the habit to get at the pockets, it's really great. It makes things a lot easier.

What I meant by "Nun skirts" was cotton slips that are almost like skirts yet are slips.

We're always being reminded to remove everything from our pockets and at Regular Chapter when we do the venia if you forget to take stuff out of your right pocket (the side we lie on) well, OUCH!
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Sr. Anastasia (at OLAM) was telling me that she finds herself very forgetful in the monastery, because it's not like she has a desk to keep notes on. lol. I'm sure if they hadn't any pockets they'd all be goners. lol

Btw, Sr. Mary Catharine, how many different kinds of chapters are there?

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franciscanheart    3,346
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I had posted about the postulant outfit I liked the most before but didn't give a very good picture of it. Even now, reading through, it is still my favorite. I still like that they don't have the veil and I especially like that it's floor length.

[img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/356917647_55e1741801_o.jpg[/img]

[img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/356917646_564508dd23_o.jpg[/img]

[img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/356917645_8a7ef95bf9_o.jpg[/img]

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Emile James    0
Emile James
hmmm, these are Capuchin-Franciscan Postulants in Australia,(the guys), they dont seem to worry about such questions of aesthetics!!...
:P:
[img]http://www.capuchinfriars.org.au/images/clip_image002.jpg[/img]

and theses Benedictine Sisters, i am just not sure whom are postulating... and who are not??
[url="http://www.stgertrudes.org/Membership/Vocations/postulants.htm"]http://www.stgertrudes.org/Membership/Voca.../postulants.htm[/url]
:idontknow:

E-J

and..an Article entitled. Simplicity in religious Life' interesting thoughts, with a picture of Postulants.looking very Italian, from i dont know what Congregation..
[url="http://cmswr.org/spiritual_reflections/simplicity_in_religious_life.htm"]http://cmswr.org/spiritual_reflections/sim...igious_life.htm[/url] Edited by Emile James

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