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Bbc Tv - Nails Benedict As Architect Of Coverup Crisis

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[quote]Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'

September 30th, 2006
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The Pope played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests, according to a shocking documentary to be screened by the BBC tonight.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, [u]it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.[/u][/size]
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The Panorama special, Sex Crimes And The Vatican, investigates the details of this little-known document for the first time. The programme also accuses the Catholic Church of knowingly harbouring paedophile clergymen. It reveals that priests accused of child abuse are generally not struck off or arrested but simply moved to another parish, often to reoffend. It gives examples of hush funds being used to silence the victims.

Before being elected as Pope Benedict XVI in April last year, the pontiff was Cardinal Thomas Ratzinger who had, for 24 years, been the head of the powerful Congregation of the Doctrine of The Faith, the department of the Roman Catholic Church charged with promoting Catholic teachings on morals and matters of faith. An arch-Conservative, he was regarded as the 'enforcer' of Pope John Paul II in cracking down on liberal challenges to traditional Catholic teachings.

[b]Five years ago he sent out an updated version of the notorious 1962 Vatican document Crimen Sollicitationis - Latin for The Crime of Solicitation - which laid down the Vatican's strict instructions on covering up sexual scandal. It was regarded as so secret that it came with instructions that bishops had to keep it locked in a safe at all times.

Cardinal Ratzinger reinforced the strict cover-up policy by introducing a new principle: that the Vatican must have what it calls Exclusive Competence. In other words, he commanded that all child abuse allegations should be dealt with direct by Rome.

Patrick Wall, a former Vatican-approved enforcer of the Crimen Sollicitationis in America, tells the programme: "I found out I wasn't working for a holy institution, but an institution that was wholly concentrated on protecting itself."[/b]

And Father Tom Doyle, a Vatican lawyer until he was sacked for criticising the church's handling of child abuse claims, says: "What you have here is an explicit written policy to cover up cases of child sexual abuse by the clergy and to punish those who would call attention to these crimes by the churchmen.

"When abusive priests are discovered, the response has been not to investigate and prosecute but to move them from one place to another. So there's total disregard for the victims and for the fact that you are going to have a whole new crop of victims in the next place. This is happening all over the world."

The investigation could not come at a worse time for Pope Benedict, who is desperately trying to mend the Church's relations with the Muslim world after a speech in which he quoted a 14th Century Byzantine emperor who said that Islam was spread by holy war and had brought only evil to the world.

The Panorama programme is presented by Colm O'Gorman, who was raped by a priest when he was 14. He said: "What gets me is that it's the same story every time and every place. Bishops appoint priests who they know have abused children in the past to new parishes and new communities and more abuse happens."

Last night Eileen Shearer, director of the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children and Vulnerable Adults said: "The Catholic Church in England and Wales (has) established a single set of national policies and procedures for child protection work. We are making excellent progress in protecting children and preventing abuse."

Panorama: Sex Crimes And The Vatican is on BBC1 tonight at 10.15pm.[/quote]

[img]http://img.dailymail.co.uk//i/pix/2006/09/pope300906_228x424.jpg[/img] Edited by Budge

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The BBC are also the people who fanned the flames of muslim violence by purposely misquoting the Pope several weeks ago.

They are also misquoting and distorting the documents of the Church, why am I not surprised about that or the fact that you would post it.

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Wow its always the other guy whose a liar.

Misquoting the Pope?

I thought the riots were over him quoting someone else...

Did the Pope read it wrong?

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You wish :)

Yep they only published snippets as headlines, and buried the rest, I read the BBC stuff every day.

No the BBC deliberately stirred up trouble and inflamed the violence response. They have never seen any religion that they like.

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SOooooooooooooooooooo seeing as I can barely take this on anymore, does anyone want to help me right a letter to BBC? I found the address. I just need to be civil as possible!!! :maddest: <_<

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I know in the world of THE POPE is ALWAYS RIGHT, you folks have to have the defense mechanism of always claiming that anyone who criticizes your Pope or reveals truth about him as being a liar.

It is kind of sad, if not so pitiful.

I think this is one of the main reasons the corruption remains entrenched.

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The Pope didn't lie. The BBC took snippets and published them out of context and no background to inflame the muslim population. Exactly what you do here.

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The muslims got upset because of the quote, the Pope read.

So what was taken out or added?

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One thing in our defense: BBC.

I rest my case.

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It is possible that the Pope may have sent such an evil memo. However I sincerely doubt the plausibility of it, espcailly coming from the BBC, who has pointed it out before miss the nuance for the sake of sensaitianalism.

As to what was taken out of from the hour academic speech, was everything but the snippet about Islam. The Headline was "Pope Slams Islam," which is not what he did.

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[quote]It is possible that the Pope may have sent such an evil memo. However I sincerely doubt the plausibility of it, espcailly coming from the BBC, who has pointed it out before miss the nuance for the sake of sensaitianalism.[/quote]

Think about it why did every bishop in the world follow the same trajectory when it came to sex abuse in the Catholic Church, suppressing it, moving the priests and more? It had to be orders from the top....

Anyhow I have found the original letter in question right on the Vatican website...

Copy and PASTe this one into your address bar, wont work as a direct link...hmmmmm

www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010518_epistula_graviora%20delicta_lt.htm
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CONGREGATIO PRO DOCTRINA FIDEI



EPISTULA
a Congregatione pro Doctrina Fidei missa
ad totius Catholicae Ecclesiae Episcopos
aliosque Ordinarios et Hierarchas interesse habentes:
DE DELICTIS GRAVIORIBUS
eidem Congregationi pro Doctrina Fidei reservatis





Ad exsequendam ecclesiasticam legem, quae in articulo 52 Constitutionis Apostolicae de Romana Curia enuntiat: «Delicta contra fidem necnon graviora delicta tum contra mores tum in sacramentorum celebratione commissa, quae ipsi delata fuerint, [Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei] cognoscit atque, ubi opus fuerit, ad canonicas sanctiones declarandas aut irrogandas ad normam iuris, sive communis sive proprii, procedit»,[1] necesse erat in primis definire procedendi modum de delictis contra fidem: quod peractum fuit per normas, quarum inscriptio est Agendi ratio in doctrinarum examine, a Summo Pontifice Ioanne Paulo PP. II ratas atque confirmatas, simul articulis 28-29 in forma specifica approbatis.[2

Eodem fere tempore Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei per Commissionem ad hoc ipsum institutam operam dabat diligenti canonum de delictis studio, sive Codicis Iuris Canonici, sive Codicis Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium, ad determinanda «graviora delicta tum contra mores tum in sacramentorum celebratione», ad perficiendas quoque normas processuales speciales «ad canonicas sanctiones declarandas aut irrogandas», quia Instructio Crimen sollicitationis hucusque vigens, a Suprema Sacra Congregatione Sancti Officii edita die 16 mensis martii anno 1962,[3] recognoscenda erat novis Codicibus canonicis promulgatis.

Attente perpensis votis et factis opportunis consultationibus, Commissionis opus tandem ad finem pervenit; Congregationis pro Doctrina Fidei Patres accuratius idem examinarunt, Summo Pontifici subiciendo conclusiones circa determinationem graviorum delictorum et modum procedendi ad sanctiones declarandas aut irrogandas, firma manente eiusdem Congregationis Apostolici Tribunalis exclusiva in hoc competentia. Quae omnia ab ipso Summo Pontifice adprobata, confirmata et promulgata sunt per Litteras Apostolicas Motu Proprio datas, quarum initium sumit a verbis Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela.

Graviora delicta tum in sacramentorum celebratione tum contra mores, Congregationi pro Doctrina Fidei reservata, sunt:

– Delicta contra sanctitatem augustissimi Eucharistiae Sacrificii et sacramenti, videlicet:

1° abductio vel retentio in sacrilegum finem, aut abiectio consecratarum specierum;[4]

2° attentatio liturgicae eucharistici Sacrificii actionis vel eiusdem simulatio;[5]

3° vetita eucharistici Sacrificii concelebratio una cum ministris communitatum ecclesialium, qui successionem apostolicam non habent nec agnoscunt ordinationis sacerdotalis sacramentalem dignitatem;[6]

4° consecratio in sacrilegum finem alterius materiae sine altera in eucharistica celebratione, aut etiam utriusque extra eucharisticam celebrationem;[7]

– Delicta contra sanctitatem sacramenti Paenitentiae, videlicet:

1° absolutio complicis in peccato contra sextum Decalogi praeceptum;[8]

2° sollicitatio in actu vel occasione vel praetextu confessionis ad peccatum contra sextum Decalogi praeceptum, si ad peccandum cum ipso confessario dirigitur;[9]

3° violatio directa sigilli sacramentalis;[10]

– Delictum contra mores, videlicet: delictum contra sextum Decalogi praeceptum cum minore infra aetatem duodeviginti annorum a clerico commissum.

Haec tantum, quae supra indicantur delicta cum sua definitione, Congregationis pro Doctrina Fidei Tribunali Apostolico reservantur.

Quoties Ordinarius vel Hierarcha notitiam saltem verisimilem habeat de delicto reservato, investigatione praevia peracta, eam significet Congregationi pro Doctrina Fidei quae, nisi ob peculiaria rerum adiuncta causam sibi advocet, Ordinarium vel Hierarcham per proprium Tribunal ad ulteriora procedere iubet opportunas normas tradendo; ius appellandi contra sententiam primi gradus, sive ex parte rei vel eius Patroni sive ex parte Promotoris Iustitiae, valide unice manet tantummodo ad Supremum Tribunal eiusdem Congregationis.

Notandum est actionem criminalem de delictis Congregationi pro Doctrina Fidei reservatis praescriptione extingui decennio.[11] Praescriptio decurrit ad normam iuris universalis et communis;[12] in delicto autem cum minore a clerico patrato praescriptio decurrere incipit a die quo minor duodevicesimum aetatis annum explevit.

In Tribunalibus apud Ordinarios vel Hierarchas constitutis, hisce pro causis munera Iudicis, Promotoris Iustitiae, Notarii atque Patroni tantummodo sacerdotes valide explere possunt. Instantia in Tribunali quovis modo finita, omnia acta causae ad Congregationem pro Doctrina Fidei ex officio quam primum transmittantur.

Tribunalia omnia Ecclesiae Latinae et Ecclesiarum Orientalium Catholicarum tenentur canones de delictis et poenis necnon de processu poenali utriusque Codicis respective observare una cum normis specialibus a Congregatione pro Doctrina Fidei pro singulo casu tradendis et omnino ad exsecutionem mandandis.

Huiusmodi causae secreto pontificio subiectae sunt.

Per hanc Epistulam, de mandato Summi Pontificis omnibus Ecclesiae Catholicae Episcopis, Superioribus Generalibus institutorum religiosorum clericalium iuris pontificii et societatum vitae apostolicae clericalium iuris pontificii aliisque Ordinariis et Hierarchis interesse habentibus missam, in votis est ut non solum graviora delicta omnino vitentur, sed praesertim ad clericorum et fidelium sanctitatem etiam per necessarias sanctiones procurandam sollicita pastoralis cura ab Ordinariis et Hierarchis habeatur.



Romae, e sede Congregationis pro Doctrina Fidei, die 18 maii 2001.



+ JOSEPHUS Card. RATZINGER

Praefectus











+ Tharsicius BERTONE, S.D.B.
archiep. em. Vercellensis
a Secretis



[1] Ioannes Paulus PP. II, Constitutio Apostolica Pastor bonus, De Romana Curia, 28 iunii 1988, art. 52, in AAS 80 (1988) 874.

[2] Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei, Agendi ratio in doctrinarum examine, 29 iunii 1997, in AAS 89 (1997) 830-835.

[3] Suprema Sacra Congregatio Sancti Officii, Instructio Crimen sollicitationis, Ad omnes Patriarchas, Archiepiscopos, Episcopos aliosque locorum Ordinarios «etiam Ritus Orientalis»: De modo procedendi in causis sollicitationis, 16 martii 1962, Typis Polyglottis Vaticanis MCMLXII.

[4] Cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 1367; Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium, can. 1442.

Cf. et Pontificium Consilium De Legum Textibus Interpretandis, Responsio ad propositum dubium, 4 iunii 1999.

[5] Cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 1378 § 2 n. 1 et 1379; Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium, can. 1443.

[6] Cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 908 et 1365; Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium, can. 702 et 1440.

[7] Cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 927.

[8] Cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 1378 § 1; Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium, can. 1457.

[9] Cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 1387; Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium, can. 1458.

[10] Cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 1388 § 1; Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium, can. 1456 § 1.

[11] Cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 1362 § 1 n. 1; Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium, can. 1152 § 2 n. 1.

[12] Cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 1362 § 2; Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium, can. 1152 § 3.[/quote] Edited by Budge

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"secret" letter, huh? sounds like media hype/tripe to me.

[quote]Cardinal Thomas Ratzinger [/quote]
Who's that?

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anyone know Latin?

I used to have an English translation of this, Im looking for now.

I believe this is the letter that only gives a victim 10 years to report sex abuse among many other things.

Its always interesting to me how certain documents are only available in Latin...

{not English, Spanish, or Italian even}

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edit. Edited by Fides_et_Ratio

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[quote name='Budge' post='1080858' date='Oct 1 2006, 03:32 PM']
anyone know Latin?

I used to have an English translation of this, Im looking for now.

I believe this is the letter that only gives a victim 10 years to report sex abuse among many other things.

Its always interesting to me how certain documents are only available in Latin...

{not English, Spanish, or Italian even}
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I didn't bother translating the whole thing.

It's about abuses in the celebration of the sacraments.

Thanks for finding yet another reason for us not to believe you.

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yikes! busted Budge.

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Budge, today is not your day.

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[quote]Think about it why did every bishop in the world follow the same trajectory when it came to sex abuse in the Catholic Church, suppressing it, moving the priests and more? It had to be orders from the top....[/quote]

Now, I am closer to this scandal then I care to think about (n.b. not perpetrating in any but suffering), so I will have to severally disagree with this. The are too many Bishops that caused great scandal, but there are also some heroes.

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[quote name='Raphael' post='1080867' date='Oct 1 2006, 02:44 PM']
I didn't bother translating the whole thing.

It's about abuses in the celebration of the sacraments.

Thanks for finding yet another reason for us not to believe you.
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Yes but is it a super secret letter about abuses in the celebration of the sacraments?



*looks for secret Vatican decoder ring*

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[quote name='Budge' post='1080855' date='Oct 1 2006, 03:26 PM']
Think about it why did every bishop in the world follow the same trajectory when it came to sex abuse in the Catholic Church, suppressing it, moving the priests and more? It had to be orders from the top....

Anyhow I have found the original letter in question right on the Vatican website...

Copy and PASTe this one into your address bar, wont work as a direct link...hmmmmm

www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010518_epistula_graviora%20delicta_lt.htm
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Reading the letter further, I'm guessing this is the alleged tidbit:

"Delictum contra mores, videlicet: delictum contra sextum Decalogi praeceptum cum minore infra aetatem duodeviginti annorum a clerico commissum."

It reads:

"A crime against morals, viz., a crime against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue (adultery) with a minor under 18 years of age committed by a member of the clergy."

The problem is that this is addressing an abuse of the sacrament of Confession, not the crime itself. Cardinal Ratzinger merely ordered that the ecclesial aspect of the crime remain in the hands of the Church (which is perfectly licit, just as you would not try someone for murder in a civil court, but in a criminal court). There is no reason at all to believe that Cardinal Ratzinger was ordering the crime itself to be hidden, but only that he reserved the right for the ecclesiastical body to deal with the ecclesiastical crime. There is also no reason to believe that the abuse had not already been reported to proper civil authorities.

Furthermore, I see no reason to believe that he was dealing with an actual case and not merely with canon law theory. Edited by Raphael

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