Bbc To Broadcast Gay Mass From San Francisco

[Budge]

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[quote]BBC to broadcast gay mass from San Francisco
27.04.07



The BBC is to relay a 'gay Mass' from San Francisco this Sunday, the first time such a service has been broadcast.

[b]The 50-minute Mass at the Most Holy Redeemer Catholic Church in the predominantly gay Castro district of the city will feature prayers and readings tailored for the gay community.

The church has been described as an "inspiration" to gay and lesbian Christians around the world because of its ministry to homosexuals.


The BBC is to relay a 'gay Mass' from San Francisco the first time such a service has been broadcast. Above, Members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence

Its parish priest, Father Stephen Meriweather, blesses participants in the San Francisco's annual gay pride march.[/b]

But it has also infuriated many Catholics in the U.S. who have complained about such activities as transvestite bingo nights during which sex toys and pornographic DVDs were handed out as prizes.

Last night a media watchdog said Sunday's radio broadcast was "bound to cause offence" to mainstream Christians.

John Beyer of Mediawatch UK, an organisation which campaigns for standards in the media, said he thought it was a mistake to broadcast the service.

"Religious broadcasting, apart from Songs of Praise, tends to focus on the out-of-the-ordinary and having this particular service I think will cause offence to people who feel that such practices are wrong and are taught as such in holy scripture," Mr Beyer said.

James Alison

Preaching on the BBC show: James Alison

"The BBC really ought to be focusing on mainstream services which are more in keeping with the public service requirement that it has."

However, Father Donal Godfrey, the U.S. Jesuit priest celebrating the Mass, said he was delighted the BBC was "exploring how gay people fit into the perspective of the Christian narrative".

"Being gay is not special," he said. "It's simply another gift from God who created us as rainbow people."

The recording will go out at 8.10am to two million listeners on the BBC Radio 4 Sunday Worship programme.

The preacher will be James Alison - a homosexual British Catholic theologian and author of 'Is it ethical to be Catholic? - qwerty perspectives'.
[b]
Weeks after the BBC finished recording the service last October, it emerged that a transvestite group calling themselves the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence regularly staged lewd and irreverent bingo nights on the church premises.

The San Francisco archdiocese-stopped the events when it was discovered that prizes of a sexual nature were being handed out by the group, who dress as nuns.
[/b]
In the past members of the group have paraded naked through the city advertising a 'hunky Jesus' contest. Their motto is: 'Go and sin some more.'

A spokesman for BBC Radio 4 said: "The strength of Sunday Worship is its diversity. It aims to reflect a variety of Christian spiritualities, and for that reason, when editorially appropriate - on average about once a quarter - comes from outside the UK.

"Taking the theme "Finding a place in the Christian narrative" this programme comes from the largest and oldest predominantly gay area in the world, from a Catholic community which has an experienced and developed understanding of the issues of being gay and Christian.

"As far as we know this is the first time the subject of being gay and Christian has been explored by the programme."

The Roman Catholic Church holds that sex belongs in the context of heterosexual marriage and that gay sex is "objectively disordered".

However, it also teaches that homosexual orientation is not in itself sinful and that gays and lesbians must be treated with respect and be free from unjust discrimination.[/quote]

NOW REMEMBER THIS WAS THE SAME CHURCH THAT WAS EXPOSED ON LINE WHEN FATHER MERRIWETHER WAS HAVING DRAG QUEEN BINGO PARTIES IN THE BASEMENT...

THIS IS A CATHOLIC CHURCH too, the CATHOLIC BLOGGERS were UNDERSTANDABLY protesting that...

but looks like its business as usual all over again.



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[Sojourner]

so what does this prove?

[Budge]

Whats the use of having this great and wonderful church heirarchy {bishops etc} if a priest can run off the rails this badly and nothing is done about it.

There were dozens of Catholic bloggers protesting this, and this guy never got removed or even chastised? Hes still there isnt he doing his homosexual festivals galore.

Of course I believe the Catholic Church more and more will go the way of the Episcopal church when it comes to homosexuality, they just need times to change things.

[Sojourner]

Oh come on Budge

You've levied charges like this time and time again on this board, and the answers are always the same. Why do you keep trotting out the same tired horse and beating it again and again? It's dead already.

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='Budge' post='1257799' date='Apr 27 2007, 08:59 AM']Whats the use of having this great and wonderful church heirarchy {bishops etc} if a priest can run off the rails this badly and nothing is done about it.

There were dozens of Catholic bloggers protesting this, and this guy never got removed or even chastised? Hes still there isnt he doing his homosexual festivals galore.

Of course I believe the Catholic Church more and more will go the way of the Episcopal church when it comes to homosexuality, they just need times to change things.[/quote]

Those are the ... I forgot their names. But they are homosexual men that live together and indulge in sin. They call themselves "sisters" and "nuns". It distinctly says on their website though that they are not Catholic.

That priest is a heretic. You express the same feelings Catholics are expressing.

The Church is unchanging. Have you read Theology of the Body? Have you read any documents written by the Church actually concerning sexuality? Only someone truly uninformed would say something like that. The Church will never go the way the Episopal church did. The gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church.

In Jesus and Mary,
Marie

[Aloysius]

is this something approved by the bishop? wouldn't surprise me, California and Mahony-land are very far gone.

What would you have the bishops do, Budge? Exercise full authority as an Apostle of Jesus Christ and put a stop to these sacrileges as so many Catholics would like him to? I don't think you want him to do that; because your real fundamental issue is that you don't believe we should have such authorities. But I'll give you that you're right; that the bishops of the modern world are often lazy or fearful or just plain complicit with evil. God help them for that, for the scriptures say that those in authority will have to answer for much more than regular folk.

Christians are apostizing and remaining in the Church... but you are wrong to think we're going to actually change. Yes, the fruits are getting much more rotten; but that's because the whole world went rotten. These are the fruits of modern secularism; but the Church continues to refuse to change. We're the last Church who still thinks birth control is evil; a hundred years ago that was considered fundamental to Christian morality! We hold steadfast in thinking all non-procreational sex is immoral; even though the fruits of the world have invaded the Church; they do not stem from our branch, they climbed the tree and perched themselves on it and started desecrating it.

Look to the Trunk, and what fruits are produced from its branches themselves, and there you will find good fruits. The Church herself holds through, she will not falter. She has not faltered yet; even the most plausible and credible charges that she may have changed are of fairly superfluous nature when it comes to real Christian life: a different direction on Capital Punishment (explainable with nuance, but fundamentalists hate nuance) here, an old support for geocentric science there; giving up on decrying usury here and there... there is no precedent in the entire history of the Church for anything remotely what happens in those churches which are built upon shifting sand, who utterly contradict their past moral teachings with full 180 degree turns.

Say what you will about the Church: but she is not built upon shifting sand. You may think the rock she is built upon is false or of satan and an illusion; but she does not shift.

I can tell you this: if any priest had thought of this during the Age of Faith, he would have been turned over to the state which likely would have executed him for homosexualist crimes against society. if any priest had thought of this 100 years ago during the heyday of the Church's battle against modernism, he would have been solemnly excommunicated. As it stands now, the bishops have gotten skiddish. God help them for the evil they comply with because of cowardice; they will have much to answer for on the Day of Judgment.

[Budge]

[quote]
Oh come on Budge

You've levied charges like this time and time again on this board, and the answers are always the same. Why do you keep trotting out the same tired horse and beating it again and again? It's dead already.
[/quote]Whats your point?

That you agree with this?

or youre just upset Im talking about it?

[quote]
We're the last Church who still thinks birth control is evil; a hundred years ago that was considered fundamental to Christian morality! We hold steadfast in thinking all non-procreational sex is immoral; even though the fruits of the world have invaded the Church; they do not stem from our branch, they climbed the tree and perched themselves on it and started desecrating it.[/quote]

So the drag queens in the basement arent the problem?



[quote]The Church herself holds through, she will not falter. She has not faltered yet;[/quote]

This is some mighty faltering if Ive seen it yet.

All of you are taking the paperwork defense here, what good is the official paperwork if its never implemented?

Anyhow its your Pope and rest who leave Mahony and his aposate pals in power.

THink of young people in that church, Im sure there are some, having their minds literally POISONED.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]However, Father Donal Godfrey, the U.S. Jesuit priest celebrating the Mass, said he was delighted the BBC was "exploring how gay people fit into the perspective of the Christian narrative".[/quote]

To change the subject slightly...

Why does nobody ever ask how faithful Catholics who also happen to be gay 'fit into the perspective of the Christian narrative'? Why have people turned to the farcical 'Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, who by their own admission are [b]not[/b] Catholics, for a portrayal of the perspective of gay Catholics?

Faithful, practising Catholics who are also homosexual do exist. Why are there no television programmes about them? Do they not count? Is their opinion as people who are doing their best to love and glorify Jesus in the single life worth nothing?

It seems so. And yet the same establishment who likes to pretend that these people don't exist also accuses the Vatican of being discriminatory.

However, the Catholic Church isn't spotless in regard to the way that the gay faithful have been treated. In many cases the pastoral care provided for them has been extremely lacking, and in some areas there is a prejudice against gay people (not against homosexual activities, but against the people as people) that should not be there.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Budge' post='1257821' date='Apr 27 2007, 10:44 AM']Whats your point?

That you agree with this?

or youre just upset Im talking about it?
So the drag queens in the basement arent the problem?

This is some mighty faltering if Ive seen it yet.

All of you are taking the paperwork defense here, what good is the official paperwork if its never implemented?

Anyhow its your Pope and rest who leave Mahony and his aposate pals in power.

THink of young people in that church, Im sure there are some, having their minds literally POISONED.[/quote]

It is implemented; it's just not being implemented here. In the past few decades, we've tried to restore the Ancient form of the Church prior to the necessary consolidation of power in Rome. It was clearly the wrong time to do it, because society was collapsing at the same time, and now modernists can get away with more stuff without being accountable to the See of Peter. It's more than just paperwork; it's what the Church herself teaches; and when these localized priests come up in open rebellion and poison these people (these priests will find themselves in low levels of hell for this, and any bishops who allow it, mind you), our lack of Ultramontane disciplining is not any sort of agreement with what's going on, it's this (apparently misguided) attempt to trust the local authorities to be able to hand things themselves.

It's like when the federal government tries to let a local government deal with a disaster because it's trying to return to a more pristine form of our Constitutional Republic. Take Katrina, for instance. The Federal Government saw it as the proper competency of the local government. The local government didn't deal with it. That doesn't make it the Federal Government's fault.

So we have the Papacy which has been trying to curb back the centralized power; but it's obvious that this power became so centralized because the Church reached the whole world and need centralization to hold it together. the faltering going on here is that we tried to dissipate the centralized power in the hopes that the whole Church could express her faith purely without the need for direct involvement by the See of Peter; we did this at the same time society was crumbling and the modernists took it as the sign to take over and let anything go.

all that said, the local churches have not fallen that far; they've just gotten weaker, yes. and again, you don't really want them to be stronger, do you? do you actually think, like I do, that these bishops should excommunicate these people because of the authority Jesus Christ gave His Apostles to bind and loose?

but they haven't gotten that weak; "the drag queens in the basement" have been ceased by the bishop. those people, the deplorable "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" have been solemnly excommunicated by Rome herself, they are on Rome's formal list of heretics (the modernist pigs see it as a badge of honor; so hey, how do you deal with sub-humanesque demonic modernist scum when they just refuse to have any decency?)

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Budge' post='1257821' date='Apr 27 2007, 08:44 AM']Whats your point?

That you agree with this?

or youre just upset Im talking about it?[/quote]
I'm not upset that you're talking about it

It's just ridiculous that you keep bringing it up, ad nauseum

[Budge]

[quote]misguided) attempt to trust the local authorities to be able to hand things themselves.

It's like when the federal government tries to let a local government deal with a disaster because it's trying to return to a more pristine form of our Constitutional Republic. Take Katrina, for instance. The Federal Government saw it as the proper competency of the local government. The local government didn't deal with it. That doesn't make it the Federal Government's fault.[/quote]

Actually when people get too dependant out outside authorities, it makes for apathy. I would surmise that the centralization of papal power since infalliblity was declared in 1870, made for some of this. If the buck stops with the Pope why clean up your own backyard?

Its about repressing people being led by God and their own inner sustaining faith.

Forget the Pope, One question one could ask, is why are all the people in this church so deluded that they are putting up with [mod]mocking priests and religious is against phorum rules and you know it, Budge--HSM[/mod] and his cadre of pro-homosexual militants?

One thing I notice here even on this board and wit other Catholics, is a level of apathy. They get angry at others on the outside, who say HEY THATS WRONG! and more upset with those exposing the evil rather then the evil themselves. Theyll spout church slogans, the church is always right! but never confront what is going on.

I knew of a catholic church where everyone knew the priest was actively gay. I remember talking to one of the parishoners there, WHY do you folks put up with it? "Father needs love too" was the response. When people dont have any inner gauge to guide them, no biblical foundation no personal relationship with Christ, "authorities" can make anything seem ok.

You think more power for your church will solve things? While I may point out what good is a powerful heirarchy when this stuff is going on? That doesnt mean I believe your clergy needs more power. I am pointing out one core thing taht is wrong wit Catholic teachings. There is too much dependance on outside authority and too little on personal conscience that is cemented in being led by the HOly Spirit and scripture and being led to stand up for what is right...{ie the people in the homosexual promoting church are definitely adrift]

Ask yourselves why the people right there watching all of that are putting up with it and youll have your answer.

This is where the whole CORPORATE formula-world married to church fails massively.

Edited April 27, 2007 by homeschoolmom
disrespect of priest

[track2004]

[quote name='Budge' post='1257821' date='Apr 27 2007, 10:44 AM']So the drag queens in the basement arent the problem?[/quote]

Drag queens in the basement are never the problem. Or at least that's what I think. None of the drag queens I know are ever a problem. Those ones were a bit out of line for thier location, but someone stopped it so what else is there to talk about.

[Knight of the Holy Rosary]

God have mercy on them...

[Budge]

[quote]None of the drag queens I know are ever a problem.[/quote]

How many drag queens do you know?



I lived near a gay neighborhood in a big city, I saw things out in public just as someone walking down the street I cant even mention on here.

[Sojourner]

I once ate Christmas dinner with a drag queen.