Are You Anti-obama Or Pro-mccain

[toservelove]

I keep hearing lots of anit-Obama things, some of it bordering on slander and calumniation. Some truth, some empty rhetoric. I see Obama '08 signs in house windows, on t-shirts, hats, bumper stickers--you name it. But, I hardly see anything about McCain. I can't find a bumper sticker. I haven't even seen a billboard or yard sign for him. And, in all this talk about why Obama should NOT be president, I hear very little about why McCain should be president. So, can you give me some positives about McCain--facts that I could use in conversation. I want something like Obama's stance is X, but McCains is Y and it's better because....OR Obama says X and McCain says Y--I think they're both wrong because...Thanks

[Lisieux Flower]

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Edited July 27, 2008 by Lisieux Flower

[Didymus]

They're both a bad choice for me, because I am very pro-life and neither seems to truly defend life in all of its stages and in all of its circumstances.

Obama is pro-choice.. very pro-choice. That's not cool with me.

McCain is pro-war.. very pro-war.. and it scares the snot out of me. He doesn't even seem to actually [i]see[/i] other options but military options - those other options allowing many innocent lives to live..

If Obama were pro-life I would vote for him, but alas he is very not pro-life.

[Galloglasses]

Very Anti-Obama, I know next to nothing about McCain. But even his pro-war veiws do not disgust me nearly as much as Obama's virulently pro-Choice veiws.

[picchick]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1609817' date='Jul 27 2008, 09:32 AM']If Obama were pro-life I would vote for him, but alas he is very not pro-life.[/quote]

Even if Obama were pro-life I would not vote for him. He does not seem to have an actual backup for his platform. He just sorta changes with the waves like seaweed really. He will say what the public wants to hear when they want to hear it.

McCain is pro-war and not pro-life. He has more respect for life than Obama however, you cannot say that you are pro-life and say that there are exceptions like rape and incest as if babies are not babies because of the circumstances around their conception.

I really don't mind war when it is needed and as the last resort. However, to use war as the first foremost option is not right in my book.

Plus, McCain AND Obama are not good looking handsome men in my book






j/k

[Didymus]

[quote name='picchick' post='1609838' date='Jul 27 2008, 10:48 AM']He has more respect for life than Obama however, you cannot say that you are pro-life and say that there are exceptions like rape and incest as if babies are not babies because of the circumstances around their conception.

I really don't mind war when it is needed and as the last resort. However, to use war as the first foremost option is not right in my book.[/quote]


What about the fact that McCain simply wants to overturn Roe v. Wade? How does this tell us that he has more respect for life than Obama? That seems like a judgment we cannot make, since McCain doesn't seem like he wants to solve this issue, save from sending it back to the states..

Also, when was the last time war was used as a last resort? If it's not a used as a last resort, than it is not just.. How can it be? It results in the unnecessary taking of innocent human life, just like abortion.

If Obama were pro-life however, I believe it would change his entire platform. He would no longer be towing empty promises and pushing the party platform. His platform would actually mean something because you would know he is not afraid to go against the anti-life principles of his own party..

Edited July 27, 2008 by Didymus

[CatherineM]

Politicians by nature say whatever they think we want to hear in order to get elected. You can't tell what they are really going to be like until they are in office for awhile. That's why electing someone like Obama is a roll of the dice. Politicians are like baseball pitchers or football quarterbacks. They have to be very arrogant, and full of themselves to do their jobs. What scares me about Obama, is that he really seems to believe his own PR. I'm definitely an anti-Obama.

[MissyP89]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1609817' date='Jul 27 2008, 09:32 AM']They're both a bad choice for me, because I am very pro-life and [b]neither seems to truly defend life in all of its stages and in all of its circumstances.[/b]

Obama is pro-choice.. very pro-choice. That's not cool with me.

McCain is pro-war.. very pro-war.. and it scares the snot out of me. He doesn't even seem to actually [i]see[/i] other options but military options - those other options allowing many innocent lives to live..

If Obama were pro-life I would vote for him, but alas he is very not pro-life.[/quote]

I agree 100% with you, Didy. Well said!

And this, too, from Catherine:

[quote]Politicians by nature say whatever they think we want to hear in order to get elected. You can't tell what they are really going to be like until they are in office for awhile.[/quote]

*nods* Unfortunately, nothing is ever 'what you see is what you get'. Who knows, Obama may do a 180 and surprise us all. It's unlikely, of course, but it's a bit of hope, anyway.

Edited July 27, 2008 by MissyP89

[aalpha1989]

I would not vote for Obama even if he were pro-life, because he is way too socialistic for me. McCain also has some socialist views, and I can not vote for him, either. I'm anti-both. . I am very sad that this is the first election I can vote in, because it is also the first election in which I would (and will) vote for someone who cannot win (Chuck Baldwin).

[picchick]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1609842' date='Jul 27 2008, 10:59 AM']What about the fact that McCain simply wants to overturn Roe v. Wade? How does this tell us that he has more respect for life than Obama? That seems like a judgment we cannot make, since McCain doesn't seem like he wants to solve this issue, save from sending it back to the states..[/quote]
He has more respect for life because he does not support partial-birth abortion. I never said that he was total pro-life. I do not care for the man either. But I am saying that on the issue of life, he is a little better than Obama.

[quote]Also, when was the last time war was used as a last resort? If it's not a used as a last resort, than it is not just.. How can it be? It results in the unnecessary taking of innocent human life, just like abortion.[/quote]

off the top of my head without any research at the moment? WWII

You are correct that it is the unecessary taking of human life. However, it is not like abortion because the men who join the military join the military knowing full well the consequences of their actions. They know that in defending their country, it is a risk that their life will be ended. However, babies should not have to worry about their life being at risk just because they are living. There is a difference here.

Both are disrespectful to human life, one is more disrespectful.

[quote]If Obama were pro-life however, I believe it would change his entire platform. He would no longer be towing empty promises and pushing the party platform. His platform would actually mean something because you would know he is not afraid to go against the anti-life principles of his own party..[/quote]

So all of a sudden if Obama were pro-life there would stances behind his promises? I think not. We see this with Ron Paul. He was pro-life. Yet he did not address issues that he was presented with. I doubt that Obama, if he were pro-life, would run on a Democratic ticket.

[XIX]

I'm definitely more anti-Obama than pro-McCain.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the best, I'd say McCain is about a 3.











































































Obama is more like a negative 547.

Edited July 27, 2008 by XIX

[XIX]

[quote name='picchick' post='1609908' date='Jul 27 2008, 01:51 PM']Both are disrespectful to human life, one is more disrespectful.[/quote]
The the one which is more disrespectful happens to occur on a massively greater scale than the war. For every person that dies in Iraq, there are probably 100 babies who die from abortion (I didn't research that, but that seems like a conservative guess on my part). Not to mention, abortion has been declared by JP2 to be the most important issue of our time, with the exception of salvation itself.

So considering Obama is one of the two most pro-abortion senators in the nation, and Mccain is as work middle of the road on the issue, yes McCain is better. Of course, being better than Obama on life is hardly an accomplishment, but it is pretty clear which candidate is better--if only on a comparative basis.

[lilac_angel]

My one anti-war, total hippie online acquaintance from Norway was Pro-McCain before politics even crossed my mind, and I asked him why, and he said something like McCain would be quite nonthreatening in terms of war, and somewhat isolationist. And this seemed to be a person who would vote total lefty. Did McCain change his stance on war, or something?

Edited July 27, 2008 by lilac_angel

[friendofJPII]

I'm anti-Obama. I'm writing in Huckabee. If I lived in a red or swing state I would vote for McCain against Obama, but since I live in (very) blue state I might as well voice my disatisfaction with the Republican party.

Obama scares the living day lights out of me. I don't think people realize how extreme the far left is.

[Madame Vengier]

I'm not in favor of either. This entire voting year is an utter disaster and no matter which candidate wins America is going to get *delivered a huge package of FAIL.

*Thanks to KoC for that turn of phrase.