Crusader_4 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Hello, Here is perhaps more of a tricky question: The Syro-Malabar rite in their divine liturgy does not have the words of consecration i.e. This is my body...how then can their eucharistic celebration be valid? Also, after St Thomas died and the syro-malabr church was consequently cut off from the latin church they used rice cakes and palm wine instead of bread because bread was unavailable in India would this consequently mean that their divine liturgies were invalid? even if them maintained apostolic succession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 [quote name='Crusader_4' post='1665565' date='Sep 28 2008, 12:46 AM']Hello, Here is perhaps more of a tricky question: The Syro-Malabar rite in their divine liturgy does not have the words of consecration i.e. This is my body...how then can their eucharistic celebration be valid?[/quote] Apotheoun, our resident Eastern Catholic said once in a post: [quote]The Eastern Churches (both Catholic and Orthodox) have never accepted the Western theory which holds that the words of institution consecrate the Eucharistic elements offered during the divine liturgy into the body and blood of Christ; instead, the East holds that the whole Eucharistic anaphora, and in particular the epiklesis, is consecratory.[/quote] [quote]I believe that the body and blood of Christ are present on the altar after the prayer of consecration, i.e., the epiklesis.[/quote] [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=72085&st=0&p=1412943&hl=consecration&#entry1412943"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...p;#entry1412943[/url] Epiklesis (Latin invocatio) is the name of a prayer that occurs in all Eastern liturgies (and originally in Western liturgies also) after the words of Institution, in which the celebrant prays that God may send down His Holy Spirit to change this bread and wine into the Body and Blood of His Son. This form has given rise to one of the chief controversies between the Eastern and Western Churches, inasmuch as all Eastern schismatics now believe that the Epiklesis, and not the words of Institution, is the essential form (or at least the essential complement) of the sacrament. for more info [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05502a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05502a.htm[/url] So from reading, it can be gathered that the Eastern Churches believe that the act of consecration takes place after the Epiklesis. Hope this helps, Jennie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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