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Biden's 14 Lies

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Madame Vengier
[url="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/"]Little Green Footballs[/url], a great weblog I love to read, has been keeping a tally of the lies of Joseph Biden. Apparently, last night he told Lie Number 14, when he claimed that Obama never said he would sit down for a chat with Iranian Madman, Ahmadinejad. There's video of the lie at LGF, and here's the List of Lies which is sure to grow by the day leading up to election.


JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT

In tonight’s debate, Joe Biden claimed that Barack Obama never said he would meet unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

That was a blatant, shameless lie.

[url="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31447_Bidens_Big_Lie"]Let’s go to the video, Stinky.[/url]


1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.


2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. [b]Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.[/b]


3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “[b]raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”[/b]


4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.


5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, [b]but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.[/b]


6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.


7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false


8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.


9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.


10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.


11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.


12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.


13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”


14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Source: [url="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31447_Bidens_Big_Lie"]http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31447_Bidens_Big_Lie[/url]

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homeschoolmom
Yeah... HSdad and I LOLed when Biden said that (re: Ahmadinejad). That was crazy. You can see in the Youtube debate clips that after Obama gives his answer and as he is listening to Clinton's answer, he has got to be thinking that she is giving a much better response and his answer will haunt him. It has.

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Fidei Defensor
[quote name='notardillacid' post='1669327' date='Oct 3 2008, 01:38 PM']Biden said Obama is for nuclear energy


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That's not a lie.

Obama has said multiple times that he is for nuclear energy, but wants to invest in finding more secure ways use it.

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Norseman82
[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1669171' date='Oct 3 2008, 09:01 AM']5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, [b]but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.[/b][/quote]

Did anyone catch how he tried to dismiss it as a "rope-line" comment? And I was having a hard time following what he meant about exporting it to China and how it factored in to what he was saying. Edited by Norseman82

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Madame Vengier
[quote name='Norseman82' post='1669364' date='Oct 3 2008, 04:05 PM']Did anyone catch how he tried to dismiss it as a "rope-line" comment? And I was having a hard time following what he meant about exporting it to China and how it factored in to what he was saying.[/quote]

That's one of the tricks of liars: they try to talk in circles to the point that you become confused and can't pinpoint the lie. If you object, they mock you for "not getting it". I'm serious.

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ardillacid
[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1669353' date='Oct 3 2008, 04:41 PM']That's not a lie.

Obama has said multiple times that he is for nuclear energy, but wants to invest in finding more secure ways use it.[/quote]
During one of the democrat primaries he said he is against nuclear energy. Either he was lying then or now.

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Fidei Defensor
[quote name='notardillacid' post='1670065' date='Oct 3 2008, 11:53 PM']During one of the democrat primaries he said he is against nuclear energy. Either he was lying then or now.[/quote]
If that's true, then cite your source and provide the example.

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ardillacid
Do you propose I go back and re-watch all the primary debates? I watched two primary democrat debates, and I don't have the motivation to watch anymore. It kinda makes me sick.

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[quote name='notardillacid' post='1670674' date='Oct 5 2008, 01:46 AM']Do you propose I go back and re-watch all the primary debates? I watched two primary democrat debates, and I don't have the motivation to watch anymore. It kinda makes me sick.[/quote]
No. But my point is, if all you have to provide as "proof" is an apparent line in a democratic primary debate for which you cannot provide a transcript or any tangible proof, it's not a very good point of argument.

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kamiller42
National Review has the total up to 22:

[quote]THE CONSTITUTION: Biden: "Vice President Cheney's been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. He has — he has — the idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the executive — he works in the executive branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that."

As noted by the McCain Camp, Article I of the Constitution does not, in fact, define the role of the Vice President of the United States. It defines the role of the legislative branch, otherwise known as the branch in which Joe Biden has served for the last 36 years.

[A reader writes in noting that Article I does mention the veep at one point — "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." However, by describing the veep's role in the legislature, it doesn't really help Biden's claim that it "defines the role, that's the executive, he works in the executive branch."]

IRAQ-AFGHANISTAN SPENDING: Biden said that the U.S. spends more in Iraq in one month than it has in Afghanistan in six or seven years.

That figure is off by 2000 percent.

‘KICKED HEZBOLLAH OUT OF LEBANON’: Biden: When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said, and Barack said, ‘Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

Reuters thinks he meant to refer to Syria, but I still don't think it would be accurate to say the U.S. kicked Syria out of Lebanon. The Lebanese kicked Syria out of Lebanon.

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT: Biden's statement that McCain voted against the Violence Against Women Act is accurate. But as Robert Byers notes, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Morrison, the Court ruled that much of Biden's law was an unconstitutional power grab by Congress of rights reserved to the states. Nobody voted against the WAWA because they support violence against women; they objected over constiutional concerns that a Supreme Court majority validated.

The McCain camp's list fourteen lies/hallucinations can be found here.

UPDATE: As I suspected, there are others.

RESTAURANT: "Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie's Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years."

According to this Delaware site, Katie's Restaurant is no longer in business; locals remember it on Union Street 25 to 30 years ago.

ARMS CONTROL TREATY: Biden: "Number two, with regard to arms control and weapons, nuclear weapons require a nuclear arms control regime. John McCain voted against a Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty that every Republican has supported."

I have no idea where Biden gets this "every Republican has supported" claim, as 49 other Republican senators voted 'no' with McCain.

When the roll was finally called on October 13, the resolution to ratify the CTBT (including the six safeguards that Daschle had submitted as an amendment) was defeated by a 51-48 vote with one abstention. (See the voting record.) Forty-four Democrats voted for ratification as did four Republicans: John Chafee (R-RI), James Jeffords (R-VT), Gordon Smith (R-OR) and Arlen Specter (R-PA). Fifty Republican senators and one independent (Robert Smith of New Hampshire) voted against ratification, and Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) voted "present." The treaty fell 19 votes short of achieving the necessary two-thirds majority necessary for ratification.

WEST BANK ELECTIONS: Biden: President Bush insisted on elections in the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, 'Big mistake. Hamas will win. You'll legitimize them.'"

The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler notes that "Obama had been a senator for only a few days when the election took place, but if he made such statements, they did not appear in news reports or transcripts that are contained in the Nexis or Factiva databases."

PAKISTANI WEAPONS: "Pakistan already has nuclear weapons. Pakistan already has deployed nuclear weapons. Pakistan's weapons can already hit Israel and the Mediterranean."

I won't quite chalk this up as a lie/hallucination, but Biden is on shaky ground here. (See below.) The distance between Israel and Pakistan is 2,085 miles, or 3355 kilometers. The longest-range existing strategic missile in the Pakistani arsenal has a range of 3000 kilometers, but it might have longer range with a lighter payload. (But how much can you lighten a nuclear payload?) They are working on developing longer-range missiles; maybe Biden knows of some development that public sources do not yet know about. Theoretically, the Pakistanis could put the weapon on a boat and then sail it to the target, but by that standard, any site on a coast in the world is within their range.

ANOTHER UPDATE: This site indicates that the top range of Pakistani missile that can carry a nuclear warhead is 1000 miles. By being off by 1,000 or so, I'm now upgrading this to full lie/error/hallucination status.[/quote]

[url="http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTVhMThlNjRkZGFlMmUwOWFkNDZkZjk0MzBiY2JiYmY="]http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/pos...jk0MzBiY2JiYmY=[/url]

But he sure sounded like he had his facts on TV, didn't it?

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SpareTime
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

someone translate please?

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