Witches' View Of Christ

[marccatholic]

From Witches’s voice
Jesus Was A Pagan?

Author: whitehawke
Posted: August 24th. 2008
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As the Christian world denigrates all other religions as “pagan, ” we wear the banner proudly. It reminds me of the 60’s when some journalist coined the phrase “hippy”, meant to be a similar denigration, but it was proudly adopted and pressed into service by the very people it was meant to insult. The word pagan, to a ‘born again’ Christian, summons up visions of dark devious rituals, worshipping wine gods and maybe even Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun. Some people see only a polytheistic pantheon of wind gods and fire gods, Mother Earth, etc.

But what does it really mean? Most important to me, it symbolizes the Roman origin of what people call Christianity. It is a Roman word – and here is as good as any a rundown on the etymology of the word:

The implication was that Christians used the term to ridicule country folk who tenaciously held on to what the Christians considered old-fashioned, outmoded beliefs.

However, it is generally believed that in the early Roman Empire, "paganus" meant civilian as opposed to military, and / or people of the countryside - rustic, hick, or country bumpkin -- a pejorative term.

The key phrase here is “in the early Roman Empire, ” which, of course, pre-dates Christianity. So, in ancient Judea, before Christ, just what would a pagan be? And what would the Roman soldiers have later called Jesus and his followers, who were outsiders, living in the countryside and not in the military? Paganus, or pagans!

Jesus was a master with 12 apostles, some say one for each sign of the zodiac. We will never know this for sure because astrology was whitewashed out of the New Testament as a threat to God. But deep within the Vatican are all the forbidden scriptures that that tell the tales we mortals are not allowed to know about. Today we would know Jesus’ unique grouping of a master and twelve apprentices as a coven.

Jesus (actually Yahshua, Aramaic for Joshua and later called Jesus by the Greco Roman world) was personally mentored by John the Baptist, who was, without question, an Essene Jew.

“The Essenes had advanced knowledge of healing, agriculture, astrology, philosophy, and spirituality. The Essenes had grown over the centuries, absorbing the truth wherever they found it, as well as developing the mysteries passed down to them for generations. In the finial analysis it would seem that the bulk of Yahshua’s learning came directly from the Essenes.”

If you get an opportunity to read the Essene Gospel of Peace, an unbiased translation of certain Dead Sea Scrolls, you will note the Jesus refers to the ‘Earthly Mother’ as often as the ‘heavenly Father’. Interesting - a God and a Goddess! There were also a host of lesser deities like Nephalem, Cherubim, Seraphim and Archangels. The Essenes had an angel for every concept, from air and water to work and love. Just like the ‘pagans’ they deified occurrences of nature. And just because Christians, Jews and Muslims don’t call them gods and goddesses doesn’t mean they are not considered so by other cultures.

If you studied the Greco Roman Pantheon you would find the analogy very compelling. The Catholics, and other Christian sects, name a saint (lesser deity) for every conceivable cause and concern. Santeria, the Old Religion of Cuba and some other Caribbean Islands, is actually a Voodoo cake with Christian icing. When removed from their native Africa did the natives become more Christian or did the Christians become more pagan?

While you are pondering this – in more modern times the Catholic Church, unsuccessful in purging Voodoo in Haiti, made Voodoo ritual drumming and dancing part of the Catholic liturgy – they consumed it and assimilated it. Orixas, "loa." or gods of the African pantheon were renamed to accommodate their pious Christian captors; but in their hearts the Catholic Church did not win.

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Likewise, the Catholic Church did not a need real victory, only the appearance of it to frighten off future, would be, rebels. That is the game we call civilization; if you win, you go down in history – if you lose, you just go down.

Many people today believe that Jesus conquered the Roman Empire, even after his death, but that is way not so. That is what you are supposed to believe; that is the story told by the people who write the Bibles and history books – the winners of the world. Jesus and his followers were never destined to beat the almighty Roman Empire; they were the losers and misfits – the sick and the possessed and the Roman Empire was the ‘Mother of Order’ in the known world. This is evident to historians as the fall of the Roman Empire coincided with the “little Ice Age” and the onset of the Dark Ages as the now Christian Europe clamored into squalor, petty wars and superstitious chaos for hundreds of years until the onset of the Renaissance.

The Roman Empire consumed Jesus and assimilated him - body and soul. After his death the Roman Empire pulled a hostile takeover of this simple pagan movement and did what they did best; steal an asset and make it Roman. The asset was not the doctrine or the religion – their whole religious concept could fit in a dime novel. What Rome wanted was the momentum of a fervently devoted movement that did not fear death. A call to arms, sally forth! “Onward, Christian Soldiers!”

Today’s military would give anything to tap into this fervor, but the best they can promise a spiritually doubtful draft pool today is to mechanically remove them from the battlefield and the death that lives there. Today’s candidate for the military is not so cavalier with the one and only life he has to live.

Ponder for a moment, communion as a Roman ritual commemorating the total consumption, ‘elimination’ and conversion of an obstacle it into an asset. To the Romans, that consumption created fertilizer for new growth. After Constantine saw the potential in so many souls eager to die for their cause, he made Christianity the official religion of Rome. But he did not practice it himself – he was no more Christian than Jesus was. Now the established citizens of Rome became the pagans! “Hey, we’re not the pagans, they are” – says Scrotius Minimus to his wife Felacia.

When pondering the ‘Roman-ness” of Christianity, picture people being tortured and burned alive, for being Christian, and speed ahead to the inquisition - people being tortured and burned alive, for not being Christian. Once a religion referred to as pagan by the Roman soldiers, was nothing more than the sheepskin worn by the Roman Empire as they called the rest of the world pagans, and justified slaughtering them for it in the name of Christ.

So what would Jesus drive if he were here today? He would drive the Christian establishment crazy.

He would be one of us!


----Fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, could someone help me to refute this blasphemous article? I really needed your sincere answers. Thanks a lot.

[LouisvilleFan]

I don't know how worthwhile it is to refute all this. This sounds like a person who's got their mind made up (at least for now) and has assimilated some reasons to support a foregone conclusion.

[quote name='marccatholic' post='1671357' date='Oct 6 2008, 04:47 AM']As the Christian world denigrates all other religions as “pagan, ” we wear the banner proudly.[/quote]

While the author is right about the etymology of "pagan," the [url="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pagan"]word today means[/url] "a follower of a polytheistic religion" or "an irreligious or hedonistic person." This is the definition we all use, whether Christian or not, and it also means that we cannot count all non-Christians religions as pagan. Clearly, the other two monotheistic religions, Judaism and Islam, cannot be called pagan.

[quote name='marccatholic' post='1671357' date='Oct 6 2008, 04:47 AM']Jesus was a master with 12 apostles, some say one for each sign of the zodiac. We will never know this for sure because astrology was whitewashed out of the New Testament as a threat to God. But deep within the Vatican are all the forbidden scriptures that that tell the tales we mortals are not allowed to know about. Today we would know Jesus’ unique grouping of a master and twelve apprentices as a coven.[/quote]

The zodiac signs have a background in Christianity, and it's not some deep, dark secret, so there would never be any need to whitewash them from the New Testament. This argument is only taking advantage of most peoples' ignorance about zodiac signs, who think they have always been used only by astrologists.

[quote name='marccatholic' post='1671357' date='Oct 6 2008, 04:47 AM']Jesus (actually Yahshua, Aramaic for Joshua and later called Jesus by the Greco Roman world) was personally mentored by John the Baptist, who was, without question, an Essene Jew.[/quote]

We don't even know "without question" that Jesus spoke Aramiac, so I highly doubt we know "without question" that John the Baptist was an Essene Jew.

[quote name='marccatholic' post='1671357' date='Oct 6 2008, 04:47 AM']And just because Christians, Jews and Muslims don’t call them gods and goddesses doesn’t mean they are not considered so by other cultures.[/quote]

This is just plain ignorance about why we believe in one God. Plus, I don't think Jews and Muslims have anything in their religions that could even be twisted into polytheism, nor do Protestants.

[quote name='marccatholic' post='1671357' date='Oct 6 2008, 04:47 AM']If you studied the Greco Roman Pantheon you would find the analogy very compelling. The Catholics, and other Christian sects, name a saint (lesser deity) for every conceivable cause and concern.[/quote]

Obviously this is just ignorance about Catholic doctrine. Saints are not lesser deities, they are humans who are sharing eternally in God's divine nature. A lesser deity is divine of its own right; whatever divinity saints share in comes only from God.

[quote name='marccatholic' post='1671357' date='Oct 6 2008, 04:47 AM']The Roman Empire consumed Jesus and assimilated him - body and soul. After his death the Roman Empire pulled a hostile takeover of this simple pagan movement and did what they did best; steal an asset and make it Roman.[/quote]

Ah... they're the Yankees of world civilizations!

[quote name='marccatholic' post='1671357' date='Oct 6 2008, 04:47 AM']When pondering the ‘Roman-ness” of Christianity,[/quote]

I'll let an Orthodox take this one...

There are a lot of huge generalizations... sounds like something the author just made up based on what they believe are correct assumptions. It's a pretty good story, though, and certainly an interesting military technique.