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kenrockthefirst

[quote name='Didymus' post='1673345' date='Oct 9 2008, 10:40 AM']I've been thinking about this lately. Which concept do you think would be more dangerous to the country?[/quote]
Well, you can see where the Let The Market Decide If It Feels Good Do It approach to managing an economy has got us.

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[quote name='Aloysius' post='1673336' date='Oct 9 2008, 11:24 AM']yeah, both sides are moving towards socialism... the only difference is that Obama's idealogy has been decidedly socialist already while McCain/Bush pay lip service to capitalist idealogy...[/quote]
McCain pays lip service to a lot of things. I'm glad that he made fighting earmarks the centerpiece of his campaign ...for a month. I'm still waiting for him to "name names."

I'm kinda' thinking that a big difference between Obaa and Mccain is that Obama actually has some convictions.

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[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1673354' date='Oct 9 2008, 10:58 AM']McCain pays lip service to a lot of things. I'm glad that he made fighting earmarks the centerpiece of his campaign ...for a month. I'm still waiting for him to "name names."

I'm kinda' thinking that a big difference between Obaa and Mccain is that Obama actually has some convictions.[/quote]
Again, I'm glad to see people comin' round to my way of thinkin' (props to Sarah Palin on the whole gerund thing). Whatever about Obama, McCain is without core convictions.

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BTW, what we've gotten with the Bush administration is a form of socialism, just a worst-of-both-worlds kind, in which public services are privatized for profit, e.g. the military (see Blackwater, KBR, Halliburton), while private risk / debt is "nationalized," e.g. the "bailout."

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[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1673353' date='Oct 9 2008, 11:57 AM']Well, you can see where the Let The Market Decide If It Feels Good Do It approach to managing an economy has got us.[/quote]
Which has not been practiced by our government in many decades now . . .
Unfortunately, Bush has been as big government as any . . .

(But I suppose our Dear Leader Obama will save us with even more socialism)

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[quote name='Didymus' post='1673344' date='Oct 9 2008, 11:38 AM']if only he were truly socialist, perhaps he wouldn't be in bed with Planned Parenthood like all the other pro-choice politicians..

It would make no sense for a true socialist to support the whims of such a massive monopoly on the destruction of our children and the exploitation of our women..[/quote]
It makes perfect sense.
Especially as socialist governments (Communist and National Socialist) have been responsible for more mass-murder than any in history.

Methinks you need to re-read [url="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11QUADR.HTM"][i]Quadragesimo Anno[/i].[/url]
Remember, no one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist.

And funny how your benevolent "true socialists" seem to exist only in theory, while the reality of socialism is quite another matter.
It's past time you outgrow your naive puppy-dog infatuation with this false ideology.

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fides quarens intellectum

[quote name='Didymus' post='1673344' date='Oct 9 2008, 10:38 AM']if only he were truly socialist, perhaps he wouldn't be in bed with Planned Parenthood like all the other pro-choice politicians..

It would make no sense for a true socialist to support the whims of such a massive monopoly on the destruction of our children and the exploitation of our women..[/quote]

wait, wait - what?? i do hope you were being sarcastic.

:secret: In case you weren't - the country with the highest abortion rate is the People's Republic of China; the regions with the highest abortion rates in the world are Asia and Eastern Europe... where can we find most of our old-school socialist countries (run by "true socialists") on a map? :teach:

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[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1673353' date='Oct 9 2008, 12:57 PM']Well, you can see where the Let The Market Decide If It Feels Good Do It approach to managing an economy has got us.[/quote]
you mean the opposite of the Bushes and McCains who asked for more regulation of Fannie Mae Freddie Mac... what about the government intervention which threatened fines against anyone who would not offer sub-prime loans lead by democrats... the push led by democrats to repeal glass-steagle... these are all your definitions of "Let to Market Decide If It Feels Good Do It" approach??

make no mistake: things are not as 2-dimensional "there was not enough regulation" as some in Washington want you to believe; in large part it has been the direct intervention of the government (in the form of congressional acts as well as the bubble the Federal Reserve has been inflating for so many decades)... there is no act of "de-regulation" you can really point to as a root cause for any of this... you can only point to "de-regulation" (which really consisted of altering the already active hand of the government in the private sector in ways that had disastrous consequences and more often than not can be viewed as a type of regulation that favored some businesses and de-favored others... nothing that can really be shown as "accross the board it was de-regulated, and that's why it ran wild"... it was running wild before de-regulation as a result of the government basically making it a law that it HAD to run wild)

if we really want to save ourselves from this:
the Federal Reserve bubble-machine needs to be abolished.
everyone needs to be required to be transparent about business practices.
criminal activity in the business market needs to be more broadly and clearly defined.
punishment for that criminal activity needs to be restricted against creating a continuous government hand in the market but rather act as a justice-leveling mechanism by punishing criminal acts.

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kenrockthefirst

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1674087' date='Oct 10 2008, 02:33 AM']you mean the opposite of the Bushes and McCains who asked for more regulation of Fannie Mae Freddie Mac... what about the government intervention which threatened fines against anyone who would not offer sub-prime loans lead by democrats... the push led by democrats to repeal glass-steagle... these are all your definitions of "Let to Market Decide If It Feels Good Do It" approach??

make no mistake: things are not as 2-dimensional "there was not enough regulation" as some in Washington want you to believe; in large part it has been the direct intervention of the government (in the form of congressional acts as well as the bubble the Federal Reserve has been inflating for so many decades)... there is no act of "de-regulation" you can really point to as a root cause for any of this... you can only point to "de-regulation" (which really consisted of altering the already active hand of the government in the private sector in ways that had disastrous consequences and more often than not can be viewed as a type of regulation that favored some businesses and de-favored others... nothing that can really be shown as "accross the board it was de-regulated, and that's why it ran wild"... it was running wild before de-regulation as a result of the government basically making it a law that it HAD to run wild)

if we really want to save ourselves from this:
the Federal Reserve bubble-machine needs to be abolished.
everyone needs to be required to be transparent about business practices.
criminal activity in the business market needs to be more broadly and clearly defined.
punishment for that criminal activity needs to be restricted against creating a continuous government hand in the market but rather act as a justice-leveling mechanism by punishing criminal acts.[/quote]
I don't disagree. BOTH parties have been guilty of an economic philosophy and practices that say on the one hand The Market and Free Trade in particular will solve all our problems, e.g. NAFTA, the WTO, GATT, while on the other hand raiding government coffers to support their pet projects and constituencies. Clearly, the "conservative" Bush administration has been just as guilty of that as the "liberal" Clinton administration, simply with different emphases.

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[quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1674008' date='Oct 10 2008, 01:36 AM']wait, wait - what?? i do hope you were being sarcastic.

:secret: In case you weren't - the country with the highest abortion rate is the People's Republic of China; the regions with the highest abortion rates in the world are Asia and Eastern Europe... where can we find most of our old-school socialist countries (run by "true socialists") on a map? :teach:[/quote]

My apologies for the confusion. When I said "true socialist" I was referring to a socialist who is more in line with Communist Manifesto rather than the failed attempts at Socialism in the world's history.

[url="http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm"]http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works...festo/index.htm[/url]

Anyone who takes an honest look at Communist Manifesto would see that it would be fundamentally opposed to what Planned Parenthood is..

No other country has a pro-life movement like ours, and the biggest hindrance to our efforts is Planned Parenthood.

And I'm not making any argument for socialism as a whole here, just in case someone starts arguing with me about socialism again. I'm just saying that if he was a true socialist, he would not be so favorable to Planned Parenthood..

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[quote name='Socrates' post='1673918' date='Oct 9 2008, 11:57 PM']It makes perfect sense.
Especially as socialist governments (Communist and National Socialist) have been responsible for more mass-murder than any in history.

Methinks you need to re-read [url="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11QUADR.HTM"][i]Quadragesimo Anno[/i].[/url]
Remember, no one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist.

And funny how your benevolent "true socialists" seem to exist only in theory, while the reality of socialism is quite another matter.
It's past time you outgrow your naive puppy-dog infatuation with this false ideology.[/quote]

hot dang pal, have a seat. I'm not espousing any socialist beliefs, nor am I calling them benevolent, nor looking past any of the evils it has brought about. I'm just saying that if he is truly a socialist, then he should be called out for allowing Planned Parenthood to gain and retain so much power.

Down boy.. down..

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[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1672897' date='Oct 8 2008, 06:56 PM']First off, the reason why Todd's membership was brought up is because if Palin's husband is "pallin'" around with groups like that, whose leader has said he hates America, that's a little disturbing. And who knows, seeing as she herself recorded a message to them (as governor, none the less. Interesting.)[/quote]


WHOA WHOA WHOA, his leader hates america? well this sounds nothing at all like that church obama never eveeeeeeer went to for many many years

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[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1672959' date='Oct 8 2008, 08:40 PM']No, actually, unlike you, I don't place my trust in random websites. Besides, her support of them speaks for itself. I wouldn't need to make up "evidence."[/quote]
Only you-tube :wacko:

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[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1672908' date='Oct 8 2008, 07:15 PM']Don't put words in my mouth. I find anyone who associates with someone who hates America like that disturbing. Rev. Wright is a disturbing man.

I am simply saying that if you are allowed to point fingers at Obama, we can point fingers at the Republican savior, Palin, seeing as this is almost the exact same thing. (of course, Rev. Wright claimed authority from God on that one... if he were a Catholic Priest, would you agree with him?)[/quote]
Yes :notworthy2: ,we mindless Catholics would agree,because we are so mindless we need a Catholic Priest to tell us we even have a mind......but I don't have to tell you that,right? :doh: You know everything there is to know about Catholics! :no:

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