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[quote name='tgoldson' post='1684338' date='Oct 23 2008, 02:04 PM']With all due respect, neither the current administration nor McCain are any less "socialist" than Obama. The financial institutions are the current beneficiaries and will continue to be under McCain. Obama's version would be more fair... but not more socialist.[/quote]
Obama wants to use social security, a program setup for our retirement, as a welfare program. [url="http://www.blogsforjohnmccain.com/obamadeceive-redistribute-scare-your-grandparents-about-social-security"]See the video in this article for the full story[/url]. Sounds like share the wealth to me.

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I used to work for the Internal Revenue Service. I saw first hand how many millions of dollars the wealthy in our country pay each quarter on taxes. Yet, Obama wishes to tax them even more because they earn more than most of us do. I dont' think that's fair. Without the wealthy we won't have our businesses, we won't have our jobs. You hurt the wealthy and the poor lose out. To make up for losses in taxes, they'll have to cut jobs, and hike up the prices of their products.

This "share the wealth" doesn't seem fair to me...

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[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1684361' date='Oct 23 2008, 02:04 PM']I used to work for the Internal Revenue Service. I saw first hand how many millions of dollars the wealthy in our country pay each quarter on taxes. Yet, Obama wishes to tax them even more because they earn more than most of us do. I dont' think that's fair. Without the wealthy we won't have our businesses, we won't have our jobs. You hurt the wealthy and the poor lose out. To make up for losses in taxes, they'll have to cut jobs, and hike up the prices of their products.

This "share the wealth" doesn't seem fair to me...[/quote]
That's because it isn't fair. As far as I am concerned, the income tax should be eliminated entirely. We should be taxed solely in consumption - the more you use, the more taxes you pay. With a consumption based tax system, people would be encouraged to earn more without penalty. They would also be encouraged to spend less and save more of their own money. (If the US Government didn't take 30% of [i]my [/i]money I would not have to wait in a FEMA line to get it back.)

My point is that Obama is no more "socialist" than the current administration or MCain. You may disagree, but please realise that the economic bailouts are not only socialist tactics, they are bad ones. McCain's idea to have the government buy "toxic" mortgages and re-finance them is 100% socialist. In those cases the banks are the beneficiaries.

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[quote name='kamiller42' post='1684358' date='Oct 23 2008, 01:55 PM']Obama wants to use social security, a program setup for our retirement, as a welfare program. [url="http://www.blogsforjohnmccain.com/obamadeceive-redistribute-scare-your-grandparents-about-social-security"]See the video in this article for the full story[/url]. Sounds like share the wealth to me.[/quote]
So what do you call it when Palin gives oil money to her citizens? Is that not sharing the wealth?

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[quote name='tgoldson' post='1684379' date='Oct 23 2008, 03:51 PM']So what do you call it when Palin gives oil money to her citizens? Is that not sharing the wealth?[/quote]
The oil companies pay a commission or royalties for resources extracted from the state. That money is distributed to the citizens partly in compensation for living in a remote state where the cost of living is higher than the lower 48.

Obama's plan is different. He wants to take money from a select group of citizens and to give to another. Money taken from citizens via taxes is not a royalty paid. What Obama wants is socialistic.

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[quote name='kamiller42' post='1684380' date='Oct 23 2008, 02:58 PM']The oil companies pay a commission or royalties for resources extracted from the state. That money is distributed to the citizens partly in compensation for living in a remote state where the cost of living is higher than the lower 48.

Obama's plan is different. He wants to take money from a select group of citizens and to give to another. Money taken from citizens via taxes is not a royalty paid. What Obama wants is socialistic.[/quote]
and McCain's plan to have the government buy individual mortgages... what's that?

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[quote name='tgoldson' post='1684382' date='Oct 23 2008, 04:00 PM']and McCain's plan to have the government buy individual mortgages... what's that?[/quote]
Something Obama and the democrats support too. In response to McCain first announcing the plan, Obama said
[quote]The secretary already has the power to do that in the rescue package, but it hasn't been exercised yet. And the next president has to make sure that the next Treasury secretary is thinking about how to strengthen you as a home buyer, you as a homeowner, and not simply think about bailing out banks on Wall Street.
[url="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/presidential.debate.transcript/#cnnSTCText"]Source[/url][/quote]
If you want to say both candidates have some socialism in them, fine. To say they have an equal amount is wrong. Obama exceeds.

Last point. The credit crisis has spawned extraordinary actions, actions from people you would not normally expect such things to happen. Extraordinary is why; it's out of the ordinary. It is the exception, not the rule. With Obama, his socialistic plans are meant to be permanent, the rule. When the credit crisis passes, normality will return, and we will see who goes to the trough more.

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[quote name='kamiller42' post='1684386' date='Oct 23 2008, 02:14 PM']Something Obama and the democrats support too. In response to McCain first announcing the plan, Obama said

If you want to say both candidates have some socialism in them, fine. To say they have an equal amount is wrong. Obama exceeds.

Last point. The credit crisis has spawned extraordinary actions, actions from people you would not normally expect such things to happen. Extraordinary is why; it's out of the ordinary. It is the exception, not the rule. With Obama, his socialistic plans are meant to be permanent, the rule. When the credit crisis passes, normality will return, and we will see who goes to the trough more.[/quote]
That's bull croutons. If socialism is wrong, then you can make no exceptions. Just like abortion. If it's wrong, you can't make exceptions for rapes or incest. It's either wrong or it's not.

The fact is, McCain supported the socialist measures to "control" this crisis. He can't call Obama a socialist when he himself is supporting socialist measures.

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