HereticHunter10 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 This isn't in support of Obama, not by a long shot. As PJP II said, "You cannot claim to b for the common good and support abortion." (not exact quote, but to that effect) I am working for the John McCain campaign, I'm the Students for McCain leader in my town, but McCain is not the only anti-abortion candidate in the election. Two other candidates who come to mind: Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party and Alan Keyes of America's Independent Party, who is actually a Roman Catholic (and a good one at that). I am posting this so that those who are reluctant to vote for JMac because of his stance on other issues (like embryonic stem cell research), can become aware of other candidates he/she can vote for with a good Catholic Conscience. Do not believe the phrase in referring to third party candidates that if you vote for them "you are throwing your vote away". God does not throw your vote away, he will be the ultimate judge of your actions. But voting for someone more prominent, like JMac, makes more sense to me because he has the ability to win and do something about abortion. Any comments? Questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zabbazooey Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 McCain is the only pro-life candidate with a chance of winning... which is why he has my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='zabbazooey' post='1681616' date='Oct 19 2008, 10:48 PM']McCain is the only pro-life candidate with a chance of winning... which is why he has my vote.[/quote] his "pro-life" credentials are not up to stuff with the Catholic Church standards so far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zabbazooey Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 He will do more good than harm to our cause, Palin is staunchly pro-life, therefore a worthy candidate. Obama is a socialist pro death nutjob who will decimate our country if elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) [quote name='HereticHunter10' post='1681608' date='Oct 19 2008, 10:36 PM']Two other candidates who come to mind: Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party and Alan Keyes of America's Independent Party, who is actually a Roman Catholic (and a good one at that). I am posting this so that those who are reluctant to vote for JMac because of his stance on other issues (like embryonic stem cell research), can become aware of other candidates he/she can vote for with a good Catholic Conscience. Do not believe the phrase in referring to third party candidates that if you vote for them "you are throwing your vote away". God does not throw your vote away, he will be the ultimate judge of your actions.[/quote] Good points. I just wish that they were on the ballots in all states. I don't think either Baldwin or Keys will be available in IL. Edited October 20, 2008 by philothea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zabbazooey Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='philothea' post='1681623' date='Oct 19 2008, 08:54 PM']Good points. I just wish that they were on the ballots in all states. I don't think either Baldwin or Keys will be available in IL.[/quote] Could you write them in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='zabbazooey' post='1681624' date='Oct 19 2008, 10:54 PM']Could you write them in?[/quote] I'll have to see -- they'll only count if they're on the list of registered write-ins, which is usually empty. I think the candidates have to file petitions in each county to get allowed as write-ins, and the county I vote in is so low-population, no one ever bothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melporcristo Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 JMJ Baldwin was on my Absentee Ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='philothea' post='1681623' date='Oct 19 2008, 08:54 PM']Good points. I just wish that they were on the ballots in all states. I don't think either Baldwin or Keys will be available in IL.[/quote] Baldwin does not appear on my ballot, but Keyes does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 My problem with voting third party is that then you are essentially indirectly helping whichever candidate is in the lead. So in the case of this election, if you voted for neither McCain nor Obama, you are helping Obama more than your are helping McCain. However, I am reluctant to completely run with McCain as he is somewhat pro-life but fails on some issues. In a sense, I would rather have Obama win now and set up a pro-life, pro-family, comeback in 2012 with Palin than have McCain win and mess it up for Palin in 2012. I hope God has this covered because I don't. Palin 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1681669' date='Oct 20 2008, 12:03 AM']My problem with voting third party is that then you are essentially indirectly helping whichever candidate is in the lead. So in the case of this election, if you voted for neither McCain nor Obama, you are helping Obama more than your are helping McCain.[/quote] It depends on what state you're voting in. Illinois is strongly Democrat as well as Obama's home state; there's no chance of McCain taking it. If I was in a swing state I'd never consider voting third party. As it is, though, I would like to send a leetle message to the Republican party that maybe they could cut it out with the war mongering and rights-grab stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='zabbazooey' post='1681622' date='Oct 19 2008, 10:54 PM']He will do more good than harm to our cause, Palin is staunchly pro-life, therefore a worthy candidate. Obama is a socialist pro death nutjob who will decimate our country if elected.[/quote] Just because Palin is pro-life does not mean she is a worthy candidate. She agrees with us on the most basic issue, but she may be completely incompetent when it comes to economy or other issues. The McCain Palin ticket received my vote only because the alternative was so bad... and I almost voted third party. [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1681661' date='Oct 19 2008, 11:54 PM']Baldwin does not appear on my ballot, but Keyes does. [/quote] Really? Baldwin appears on my ballot, but Keyes does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='aalpha1989' post='1681681' date='Oct 19 2008, 10:14 PM']Really? Baldwin appears on my ballot, but Keyes does not.[/quote] Baldwin did not get on the California ballot, but Keyes did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1681773' date='Oct 20 2008, 01:27 AM']Baldwin did not get on the California ballot, but Keyes did.[/quote] i'm jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='HereticHunter10' post='1681608' date='Oct 19 2008, 10:36 PM']This isn't in support of Obama, not by a long shot. As PJP II said, "You cannot claim to b for the common good and support abortion." (not exact quote, but to that effect) I am working for the John McCain campaign, I'm the Students for McCain leader in my town, but McCain is not the only anti-abortion candidate in the election. Two other candidates who come to mind: Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party and Alan Keyes of America's Independent Party, who is actually a Roman Catholic (and a good one at that). I am posting this so that those who are reluctant to vote for JMac because of his stance on other issues (like embryonic stem cell research), can become aware of other candidates he/she can vote for with a good Catholic Conscience. Do not believe the phrase in referring to third party candidates that if you vote for them "you are throwing your vote away". God does not throw your vote away, he will be the ultimate judge of your actions. But voting for someone more prominent, like JMac, makes more sense to me because he has the ability to win and do something about abortion. Any comments? Questions?[/quote] While I agree with you to an extent, Catholics also have the moral responsibility to keep a pro-choice candidate from obtaining office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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