Lil Red Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 [quote name='Hassan' post='1681915' date='Oct 20 2008, 11:13 AM']Obama says he's opposed to late term abortions.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ i'm talking about the partial birth abortion procedure. he opposed the PBA ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praxedes Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 This is a grave and very confusing matter, highly charged. Life must always come first and unless that is spoken clearly, there is room for misunderstandings and assumptions. Prayers that life will be protected. Pax, Praxedes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Catholics for O'bama is like Jews for Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='Hassan' post='1681915' date='Oct 20 2008, 12:13 PM']Obama says he's opposed to late term abortions.[/quote] Obama has voted against legally protecting infants that survived abortion, and against the partial-birth abortion ban (about as late-term as you can get!) I'll pay attention to Obama's record, not his two-faced excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jckinsman Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1682263' date='Oct 20 2008, 11:01 PM']Catholics for O'bama is like Jews for Hitler. [/quote] Should this surprise any of us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Sorry, but this thread's subtitle made me think of Aretha Franklin! *sings* Chain-chain-chaaaainnn ... chain of geniuses ... Edited October 21, 2008 by Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcts Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 my new priest is for obama he even has a bumper sticker on his truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1681889' date='Oct 20 2008, 12:32 PM']+J.M.J.+ since when is ripping a child out of the womb, puncturing its skull with scissors and sucking its brains out not "grave"? because if Obama is president, he will overturn the ban on this horrific 'procedure'.[/quote] I am by no means pro-Obama, and I'm sure he would [i]like[/i] to do as you say, but... er, isn't this "ban" a law? Passed by the Congress? Upheld by the Supreme Court? I've heard this Obama-will-overturn-it idea mentioned several times, here and elsewhere, but I am pretty sure presidents cannot overturn laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [quote name='philothea' post='1682930' date='Oct 21 2008, 07:26 PM']I am by no means pro-Obama, and I'm sure he would [i]like[/i] to do as you say, but... er, isn't this "ban" a law? Passed by the Congress? Upheld by the Supreme Court? I've heard this Obama-will-overturn-it idea mentioned several times, here and elsewhere, but I am pretty sure presidents cannot overturn laws. [/quote] Have you heard of Obama's promised first act as President? [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4359.html"]The Freedom of Choice Act.[/url] ------ [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4359.html"]Barack Obama's "Freedom of Choice Act" Would Mean 125K More Abortions[/url] With so much attention on the economy, one area of federal legislation that can be overlooked is abortion. An old and dangerous bill that will increase abortions by an enormous amount is being resurrected by abortion advocates: the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA). H.R. 1964 and S.1173. FOCA is usually reported as “codifying Roe v. Wade,” but it is much more. Since the Webster and Casey decisions in 1989 and 1992, the Supreme Court has allowed states to limit abortion somewhat by such things as requiring parental involvement and informed consent, prohibiting government funding of most abortion, and more recently outlawing most partial birth abortions. But FOCA tolerates none of this. Advocates and opponents of FOCA all agree that the bill would nullify every legal limit on abortion, state, federal or otherwise. Americans United for Life, as well as the Family Research Council, explain this fact in great detail. Abortion advocates who want FOCA concur: NOW, NARAL, Planned Parenthood, and FOCA sponsor Senator Barbara Boxer all contend that FOCA will strike down all state pro-life laws. The shockwaves that FOCA would cause are immense and wide-ranging, but recent research shows one effect in particular. Certain state laws that are doomed under FOCA actually prevent a statistically significant number of abortions. These laws include parental involvement requirements, informed consent laws, and restrictions on government funding of abortions. Specifically, if FOCA is passed it will increase abortions by 125,000 more per year in the United States. Since 2004, Dr. Michael New has published studies with the Heritage Foundation showing that a large reduction in abortions can be attributed to these three kinds of laws. Even considering other reduction factors such as change in public opinion, Dr. New’s regression analysis shows that parental involvement laws in a state lead to 0.54 fewer abortions per 1000 women of childbearing age, informed consent laws lead to 0.92 fewer, and state restrictions on Medicaid funding lead to 2.08 fewer. Both pro-life and pro-abortion organizations tell us which states have these laws in place: 36 states have parental involvement laws, 26 states have informed consent laws, and 34 states have funding restrictions. The U.S. Census Bureau gives us projections for 2009 of females age 15-44 in each of these states. Then it’s a simple matter of cross-referencing the number of women of childbearing age in each state with each abortion restriction, and applying Dr. New’s ratio. The grand total number of abortions reduced by these laws is 124,947.6, per year. This is a minimum. FOCA will strike down other laws, state and federal, that reduce abortions, and will force states to facilitate abortions. 125,000 more abortions is only the tip of the FOCA iceberg. Even with this minimum, that’s 125,000 children that were not killed this year because we have these laws, and 125,000 children (added to the existing 1.3 million abortions) who will be killed in 2009 and every year after if FOCA is passed. FOCA is indeed a staggering expansion of abortion, both in principle and in actual lives lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1682932' date='Oct 21 2008, 08:29 PM']Have you heard of Obama's promised first act as President? [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4359.html"]The Freedom of Choice Act.[/url][/quote] Well, yes, I've heard that's what he's said. But, he can't unless both the House and the Senate pass it. It was introduced three years ago, and has never been voted on. I suppose maybe it has enough votes to pass but isn't veto-proof? I find that kind of unlikely considering the way the votes went for the PBA Ban. I can't find any statistics on what kind of legislative support it has. Edited October 22, 2008 by philothea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [quote name='mcts' post='1682854' date='Oct 21 2008, 07:18 PM']my new priest is for obama he even has a bumper sticker on his truck.[/quote] That's almost the saddest thing I've ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcts Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1683170' date='Oct 21 2008, 11:46 PM']That's almost the saddest thing I've ever heard.[/quote] I know, right!?! When asked about it, he won't even explain why he likes obama so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [quote name='philothea' post='1682930' date='Oct 21 2008, 06:26 PM']I am by no means pro-Obama, and I'm sure he would [i]like[/i] to do as you say, but... er, isn't this "ban" a law? Passed by the Congress? Upheld by the Supreme Court? I've heard this Obama-will-overturn-it idea mentioned several times, here and elsewhere, but I am pretty sure presidents cannot overturn laws. [/quote] +J.M.J.+ i'm almost positive that there was a PBA ban in effect when Clinton was elected, and he overturned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [quote name='philothea' post='1682940' date='Oct 21 2008, 06:42 PM']Well, yes, I've heard that's what he's said. But, he can't unless both the House and the Senate pass it. It was introduced three years ago, and has never been voted on. I suppose maybe it has enough votes to pass but isn't veto-proof? I find that kind of unlikely considering the way the votes went for the PBA Ban. I can't find any statistics on what kind of legislative support it has.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ but with a democratic controlled house & senate, it will pass.i know that wikipedia doesn't always have a great track record, but at least it's a start. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act"]Wikipedia[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [quote name='Hassan' post='1681915' date='Oct 20 2008, 01:13 PM']Obama says he's opposed to late term abortions.[/quote] Except when the health of the mother is at risk. He said he opposes late term abortions unless the mother's life is at risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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