Pro Life Democrat

[flip]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1682990' date='Oct 21 2008, 09:40 PM']Sounds like [b]PERSONAL [/b]charity[/quote]

Once again, I quote the US Catholic Bishops:

"As individuals, all citizens have a duty to assist the poor through acts of charity and personal commitment. [b]But private charity and voluntary action are not sufficient. [/b]We also carry out our moral responsibility to assist and empower the poor by working collectively through government to establish just and effective public policies."

[ardillacid]

[quote name='flip' post='1683309' date='Oct 22 2008, 02:36 AM']Secondly, [b]the tax system should be structured according to the principle of progressivity, so that those with relatively greater financial resources pay a higher rate of taxation.[/b] The inclusion of such a principle in tax policies is an important means of reducing the severe inequalities of income and wealth in the nation.[/quote]
Since this is the bolded part of your post, I will adress it:

Are you claiming the rich don't pay taxes at a higher rate than those of less wealth in this country?

I'd also inquire what is the amount of money necessary for the government 'charity' (lol) fair in your opinion?

Edited October 22, 2008 by notardillacid

[ardillacid]

[quote name='flip' post='1682723' date='Oct 21 2008, 04:27 PM']Amen!

And, I'm not so sure about our candidates not making it... check the list below. Plus, we have awesome people like BOB CASEY, JR. who NEEDS to run for freaking president.[/quote]
I assume you mean the Bob Casey Jr. who is publicly supporting Barack Obama?

Indicative much about how far he's willing to go for the pro-life views he holds?

Edited October 22, 2008 by notardillacid

[ardillacid]

I would also like to point out at this point that democrats are (making HUGE generalization...maybe ) opposed to the Catholic principle of subsidiarity. If the government if going to be involved, it should be on the closest level possible to the people, NOT the behemoth that is the federal government of the U.S.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='FSM Sister' post='1683176' date='Oct 21 2008, 11:55 PM']How about Simon, the zealot party leader? Zacheus, the tax collector? Matthew? Nicodemus? The Centurion?

Jesus came for - and cared for - everybody.[/quote]

In Jewish society, tax collectors were marginalized and practically treated as lepers. Just because they had money didn't mean they were accepted. Romans certainly weren't by Jews. Both groups were ritually unclean. Today's ritually unclean are the disabled, especially the mentally ill, the homeless, the addict and the foreigner.

[inDEED]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1682728' date='Oct 21 2008, 01:38 PM']If I was forced to align myself with one party or the other, the label closest to my views would probably be "Pro-life Democrat".

It smells of elderberries that the life issue has been divided so much down party lines.

If Obama wasn't so pro-choice I'd vote for him, but, morally, I cannot--especially since reading the recent letter from the Dallas and Ft Worth bishops on this issue.[/quote]

Yup.

[StColette]

[quote name='flip' post='1682723' date='Oct 21 2008, 04:27 PM']Amen!

And, I'm not so sure about our candidates not making it... check the list below. Plus, we have awesome people like BOB CASEY, JR. who NEEDS to run for freaking president.

Pro-Life Democrats Running in the 2008 Elections

Louisiana- 4
Paul Carmouche[/quote]

Paul Carmouche is a very good man. He and my grandfather were very good friends.

[Didymus]

[quote name='FSM Sister' post='1682259' date='Oct 20 2008, 11:00 PM']Some of the more conservative Bishops are coming right out and calling it the party of death.[/quote]

Can you give a source? So far, all that has been posted on Phatmass have been false claims that Archbishop Burke has come out and said it, but in fact all he said was that they are in danger of becoming the party of death.

Also, I too would most associate myself as a pro-life democrat if I ever needed to choose from the two parties.

I believe that at its core, the abortion issue still remains a special interest issue that many liberals have jumped at in hopes of widening the scope of their support. The same I believe is true with most conservatives. Most of them seem to have accepted a stance against abortion as a special interest "tack on" to their platform.

This is why I believe it is still possible for one to be a member of either party and still be pro-life or pro-choice.

[Akalyte]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1682174' date='Oct 20 2008, 09:51 PM']I guess I just don't understand why one would continue to affliate themselves with a party that has been involved in so much destruction and evil. Like the Catholic Church has a specific creed, one does not call themselves "a pro-choice Catholic". If you do, you use the terms in contradiction with each other. I simply cannot consider you a democrat because you are prolife. You do not stand for what democrats have officially embraced.

It is interesting that the Daily Roman Missal states in its examination of confession that affiliations with the Communist Party or Freemasonry carry with it the pain of serious, possibly mortal sin. I can imagine that one day the Democrat Party will be among that list if they continue to hold the same beliefs.[/quote]

The democratic party has been pushing communism on us as it is. It's probably because the communists have a list of goals they wish to achieve in america "capturing" one or both of the political parties was one of their goals. I guess we all know which party that is.

[url="http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm"]http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm[/url]

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='flip' post='1682945' date='Oct 21 2008, 07:48 PM']I refer you to "Economic Justice For All" by the US Catholic Bishops. Also look at Catholic Social Teaching. I also refer you to the countless speeches and writings of JPII about the evils of extreme capitalism.

Oh yeah, and read the beatitudes in Luke. And the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus. Actually, just read the Gospel of Luke and see how Jesus treats the poor and marginalized. And also, look how the early Church lived...

" They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. [b]All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.[/b]" Acts 2:42-45

Sounds like [b]EVIL [/b]socialism![/quote]

Socialism is evil the Popes have declared.

[Akalyte]

[url="http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/leftwing.htm"]http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/leftwing.htm[/url]

There's a big difference between what the apostles did and what the countless maniac commy groups have been doing. We could do what the early church did amongst our selves without changing our entire government into it. These groups seem to always have a dictator involved.

[Brother Adam]

The socialist principles of the early Christian community has been misused by liberal Catholics more than I can count. Those who enter into such a community do so of their own free will, and only through such free liberty can such a community function in a godly way that does not oppress people. Socialism hasn't worked well anywhere so far, and if we promote socialism or "commune"-ism in the US I can guarantee you that you will lose more and more of your freedoms to live and teach Catholicism to your family and your community. Socialism as a religious principal (such as in the early Church) has the capacity to work, not as a political system. There is a reason why so many democrats are so opposed to Christianity. Social welfare programs also don't work, which is a VERY relevant point. The only social program that I know of that works is WIC. Welfare cripples not only our economy but those on it, and thus our country and society as well. In an Obama economy more and more people will become dependent on the government when the opposite should be true as those who do have money continue to invest in other countries and continue the downward spiral.

Democrats stand for murder. Abortion is murder. They have officially embraced it. So again, how can you call yourself a pro-life democrat anymore than you can call yourself a pro-choice Catholic? They also stand for the destruction of the family. They promote homosexuality and want to FORCE you to teach it to your children and already are in more than one state. They promote the murder of the old and infirm. They promote the destruction of embryos for medical science.

Some republicans also promote those things, but they have not been embraced by the party as a whole and most are still against everything except stem cell research. It seems the republican party is not only a lesser evil, but against the democratic party, is a much lesser evil. Republicans have programs that support and promote social justice as well. Crisis pregnancy centers work. Homeless shelters work, soup kitchens work, trade schools work. Republicans teach people to fish. Democrats give people fish.

[flip]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1683603' date='Oct 22 2008, 05:21 PM']Socialism is evil the Popes have declared.[/quote]

Thanks for that. I did some research, and socialism as a theory has been condemned. It hasn't worked...

but I wonder what will work? I believe in a free economy, but not a radical capitalism that treats people like commodities. A system where people work for the economy and not the economy for the people. The republican platform has brought this...hence the tax breaks to the wealthiest upper crust of society. It is a system that benefits the rich and perpetuates a culture of materialism, elitism, and pride.

What system of government really looks out for the marginalized as Jesus would?

[Didymus]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1683612' date='Oct 22 2008, 05:33 PM']Republicans teach people to fish. Democrats give people fish.[/quote]

If you want to include that analogy, you should probably mention how most Republicans advocate a system where most of the fish swim upstream and away from those in need of them..

Edited October 22, 2008 by Didymus

[Didymus]

[quote name='flip' post='1683625' date='Oct 22 2008, 05:54 PM']Thanks for that. I did some research, and socialism as a theory has been condemned. It hasn't worked...

but I wonder what will work? I believe in a free economy, but not a radical capitalism that treats people like commodities. A system where people work for the economy and not the economy for the people. The republican platform has brought this...hence the tax breaks to the wealthiest upper crust of society. It is a system that benefits the rich and perpetuates a culture of materialism, elitism, and pride.

What system of government really looks out for the marginalized as Jesus would?[/quote]

one in which the means of production is put in the hands of as many as possible.