John Mccain Pro Life? What A Joke

[Fidei Defensor]

JOHN McCAIN PRO LIFE? WHAT A JOKE
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By Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party)
August 22, 2008
NewsWithViews.com

Once again, "pro-life" Christians are doing back flips to try and justify their compromise of the life issue by trying to convince everyone (including themselves) that John McCain is truly pro-life. However, these same people know in their hearts that John McCain shares no fidelity to the life issue in any significant or meaningful way. Like many in the Republican Party, McCain's commitment to life is about as deep as a mud puddle.

Dare I remind everyone that the "pro-life" GOP controlled the entire federal government from 2000 to 2006 and nothing was done to overturn Roe v. Wade or end legal abortion-on-demand? When George W. Bush took the oath of office in January of 2001, over one million innocent unborn babies were being murdered in the wombs of their mothers every year via legal abortions in this country. And when George W. Bush leaves office in January of 2009, over one million innocent unborn babies would still be murdered in the wombs of their mothers every year via legal abortions in this country. Eight years of a "pro-life" President and six years of the "pro-life" GOP in charge of the entire federal government and not one unborn baby's life has been saved. Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land, and abortion-on-demand is still legal in America.

Had John McCain and his fellow Republicans truly wanted to end legal abortion, they could have passed Congressman Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life Act. Year after year, Dr. Paul introduced this bill, and year after year, it sat and collected dust in the document room on Capitol Hill.

What would Congressman Paul's bill do? It would do two things: 1) It would define life as beginning at conception and, thus, declare the personhood of every pre-born child. 2) Under Article. III. Section. 2. of the U.S. Constitution, it would remove abortion from the jurisdiction of the Court. In practical terms, Dr. Paul's bill would overturn Roe v. Wade and end legal abortion-on-demand. So, where was John McCain? Why did he not support Ron Paul's bill and introduce a companion bill in the U.S. Senate?

How can John McCain, and his fellow Republicans in Washington, D.C., look pro-life Christians and conservatives in the eye in 2008 and expect that we take them seriously when they say that they are "pro-life"? If the GOP had truly wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and end legal abortion-on-demand, they could have already done it. They controlled the White House, the U.S. Senate, and the House of Representatives for six long years, for goodness sake. The reason they did not do it is because they did not want to do it. They merely want to use "pro-life" rhetoric as a campaign tool to dupe gullible Christian voters every election year. And the disgusting thing about it is--it works.

The vast majority of notable "pro-life" leaders in the country are now trumpeting the candidacy of John McCain. And the best challenge they can come up with is "McCain better not pick a 'pro-choice' Vice President." Oh, shut up (to quote Jay Leno)!

John McCain openly embraces embryonic stem cell research. In 2000, he boldly said he did not favor the overturn of Roe v. Wade. John McCain was a member of the infamous "Gang of 14" senators from both parties whose purpose was to oppose pro-life, strict constructionist judges.

Speaking of judges, John McCain voted for the pro-abortion justice, Stephen Breyer, and the radical, pro-abortion, ACLU attorney, Ruth Bader Ginsburg. So much for the argument that we need John McCain for the sake of appointing conservative justices to the Supreme Court. For that matter, Republican appointments dominated the Court that gave us Roe v. Wade and the one that later gave us Doe v. Bolton. Proving, once again, that the Republican Party, as a whole, has no real commitment to the life issue.

John McCain also gave us McCain-Feingold. This is the law that keeps pro-life or pro-Second Amendment organizations from broadcasting ads that mention a candidate by name 30 days before a primary election or 60 days before a general election. This proves that John McCain believes neither in the right to life nor the right to keep and bear arms. (This is one reason why the Gun Owners of America gives McCain a grade of F.)

In a debate with George W. Bush in May of 2000, John McCain attacked Bush's support for the pro-life plank in the Republican Party. Still today, John McCain believes that babies who are conceived via rape or incest should be murdered. I remind readers, however, that there are no "exceptions" in the womb, only babies.

If all of the above is not enough, as a senator, John McCain has repeatedly voted to fund pro-abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood with federal tax dollars. In fact, McCain has voted to use federal tax dollars to support abortion providers at home and overseas. Yes, this "pro-life" senator (along with "pro-life" President, George W. Bush) has significantly increased federal spending for abortion providers to levels eclipsing even the appropriations authorized by President Bill Clinton and his fellow Democrats.

John McCain also supports the United Nations, which not only works to strip the United States of its independence and sovereignty, and banish our right to keep and bear arms, but is also the most radical, pro-abortion organization in the entire world. More babies have been aborted around the world under the auspices of the U.N. than any other single entity.

Tell me again, Mr. Christian Leader, how "pro-life" John McCain is. What a joke!

[Guest]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1683689' date='Oct 22 2008, 06:13 PM']JOHN McCAIN PRO LIFE? WHAT A JOKE
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By Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party)
August 22, 2008
NewsWithViews.com

Once again, "pro-life" Christians are doing back flips to try and justify their compromise of the life issue by trying to convince everyone (including themselves) that John McCain is truly pro-life. However, these same people know in their hearts that John McCain shares no fidelity to the life issue in any significant or meaningful way. Like many in the Republican Party, McCain's commitment to life is about as deep as a mud puddle.

Dare I remind everyone that the "pro-life" GOP controlled the entire federal government from 2000 to 2006 and nothing was done to overturn Roe v. Wade or end legal abortion-on-demand? When George W. Bush took the oath of office in January of 2001, over one million innocent unborn babies were being murdered in the wombs of their mothers every year via legal abortions in this country. And when George W. Bush leaves office in January of 2009, over one million innocent unborn babies would still be murdered in the wombs of their mothers every year via legal abortions in this country. Eight years of a "pro-life" President and six years of the "pro-life" GOP in charge of the entire federal government and not one unborn baby's life has been saved. Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land, and abortion-on-demand is still legal in America.

Had John McCain and his fellow Republicans truly wanted to end legal abortion, they could have passed Congressman Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life Act. Year after year, Dr. Paul introduced this bill, and year after year, it sat and collected dust in the document room on Capitol Hill.

What would Congressman Paul's bill do? It would do two things: 1) It would define life as beginning at conception and, thus, declare the personhood of every pre-born child. 2) Under Article. III. Section. 2. of the U.S. Constitution, it would remove abortion from the jurisdiction of the Court. In practical terms, Dr. Paul's bill would overturn Roe v. Wade and end legal abortion-on-demand. So, where was John McCain? Why did he not support Ron Paul's bill and introduce a companion bill in the U.S. Senate?

How can John McCain, and his fellow Republicans in Washington, D.C., look pro-life Christians and conservatives in the eye in 2008 and expect that we take them seriously when they say that they are "pro-life"? If the GOP had truly wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and end legal abortion-on-demand, they could have already done it. They controlled the White House, the U.S. Senate, and the House of Representatives for six long years, for goodness sake. The reason they did not do it is because they did not want to do it. They merely want to use "pro-life" rhetoric as a campaign tool to dupe gullible Christian voters every election year. And the disgusting thing about it is--it works.

The vast majority of notable "pro-life" leaders in the country are now trumpeting the candidacy of John McCain. And the best challenge they can come up with is "McCain better not pick a 'pro-choice' Vice President." Oh, shut up (to quote Jay Leno)!

John McCain openly embraces embryonic stem cell research. In 2000, he boldly said he did not favor the overturn of Roe v. Wade. John McCain was a member of the infamous "Gang of 14" senators from both parties whose purpose was to oppose pro-life, strict constructionist judges.

Speaking of judges, John McCain voted for the pro-abortion justice, Stephen Breyer, and the radical, pro-abortion, ACLU attorney, Ruth Bader Ginsburg. So much for the argument that we need John McCain for the sake of appointing conservative justices to the Supreme Court. For that matter, Republican appointments dominated the Court that gave us Roe v. Wade and the one that later gave us Doe v. Bolton. Proving, once again, that the Republican Party, as a whole, has no real commitment to the life issue.

John McCain also gave us McCain-Feingold. This is the law that keeps pro-life or pro-Second Amendment organizations from broadcasting ads that mention a candidate by name 30 days before a primary election or 60 days before a general election. This proves that John McCain believes neither in the right to life nor the right to keep and bear arms. (This is one reason why the Gun Owners of America gives McCain a grade of F.)

In a debate with George W. Bush in May of 2000, John McCain attacked Bush's support for the pro-life plank in the Republican Party. Still today, John McCain believes that babies who are conceived via rape or incest should be murdered. I remind readers, however, that there are no "exceptions" in the womb, only babies.

If all of the above is not enough, as a senator, John McCain has repeatedly voted to fund pro-abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood with federal tax dollars. In fact, McCain has voted to use federal tax dollars to support abortion providers at home and overseas. Yes, this "pro-life" senator (along with "pro-life" President, George W. Bush) has significantly increased federal spending for abortion providers to levels eclipsing even the appropriations authorized by President Bill Clinton and his fellow Democrats.

John McCain also supports the United Nations, which not only works to strip the United States of its independence and sovereignty, and banish our right to keep and bear arms, but is also the most radical, pro-abortion organization in the entire world. More babies have been aborted around the world under the auspices of the U.N. than any other single entity.

Tell me again, Mr. Christian Leader, how "pro-life" John McCain is. What a joke![/quote]


McCain is a good guy in my opionon. He serves and loves our country. I'd rather see him president then Obama. Although it does scare me if McCain would die and Palin would be president.

[CatholicCid]

I thought you left these here parts for greener pastures

[XIX]

Oh strawman, where art thou?


Oh wait you're right there in the OP, with like 847 of your friends.

Edit: That little bit of snark on my part is directed at the article, not fidei.

Edited October 23, 2008 by XIX

[flip]

i agree with baldwin. I disagree with him on alot of things, but he is spot on when it comes to the republican party and being "pro life"

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='flip' post='1683788' date='Oct 22 2008, 07:24 PM']i agree with baldwin. I disagree with him on alot of things, but he is spot on when it comes to the republican party and being "pro life"[/quote]
Correct. The Republicans play the pro-life crowd like a fiddle every election, and then proceed to do exactly squat about abortion.

[dUSt]

You people absolutely amaze me.

[b]Unborn Victims of Violence Act[/b] - signed into law by President George W. Bush on April 1, 2004

[b]The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act[/b] - signed into law August 5, 2002 by President Bush

[b]The Partial Birth Abortion Ban[/b] - signed into law by President Bush in 2003

Bush reinstated the [b]Mexico City Policy[/b] which requires countries who receive federal funding to refrain from performing or promoting abortion.

June 20, 2007, President Bush veto of legislation (S. 5) that would mandate federal funding of the type of stem cell research that requires the killing of human embryos

[b]Pro-life judges[/b] appointed to supreme court by Bush


Either you are blatant liars, intentionally deceiving people, or are simply grossly misinformed. Which is it? I really am tired of this.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1684282' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:00 AM']You people absolutely amaze me.

[b]Unborn Victims of Violence Act[/b] - signed into law by President George W. Bush on April 1, 2004

[b]The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act[/b] - signed into law August 5, 2002 by President Bush

[b]The Partial Birth Abortion Ban[/b] - signed into law by President Bush in 2003

Bush reinstated the [b]Mexico City Policy[/b] which requires countries who receive federal funding to refrain from performing or promoting abortion.

June 20, 2007, President Bush veto of legislation (S. 5) that would mandate federal funding of the type of stem cell research that requires the killing of human embryos

[b]Pro-life judges[/b] appointed to supreme court by Bush


Either you are blatant liars, intentionally deceiving people, or are simply grossly misinformed. Which is it? I really am tired of this.[/quote]

It doesn't matter what you tell them, dUSt..I've noticed this gets totally ignored...

Obama is the "best man" to some of these posters...and more than likely he will overturn much of what has been done for the pro-life cause these last 8 years.

...it is pretty sickening!

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1684282' date='Oct 23 2008, 09:00 AM']You people absolutely amaze me.

[b]Unborn Victims of Violence Act[/b] - signed into law by President George W. Bush on April 1, 2004

[b]The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act[/b] - signed into law August 5, 2002 by President Bush

[b]The Partial Birth Abortion Ban[/b] - signed into law by President Bush in 2003

Bush reinstated the [b]Mexico City Policy[/b] which requires countries who receive federal funding to refrain from performing or promoting abortion.

June 20, 2007, President Bush veto of legislation (S. 5) that would mandate federal funding of the type of stem cell research that requires the killing of human embryos

[b]Pro-life judges[/b] appointed to supreme court by Bush


Either you are blatant liars, intentionally deceiving people, or are simply grossly misinformed. Which is it? I really am tired of this.[/quote]
Because judging by the fruits, abortion still exists.

I will not deny that Bush has helped the pro-life movement, but he did not END abortion as he PROMISED he would.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1684286' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:14 AM']Because judging by the fruits, abortion still exists.

I will not deny that Bush has helped the pro-life movement, but he did not END abortion as he PROMISED he would.[/quote]

Bush never promised that. In fact, he said, "before laws change, men must change." He's right. At least he did what he could.

Obama will eradicate everything Bush did...

[kamiller42]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1684286' date='Oct 23 2008, 11:14 AM']Because judging by the fruits, abortion still exists.

I will not deny that Bush has helped the pro-life movement, but he did not END abortion as he PROMISED he would.[/quote]
Bush promised to end abortion? Or did he promise to take steps to end abortion? Please provide a quote and citation so I may examine what he said.

He did end partial birth abortion.

Some people think abortion was legalized in one decision, Roe v Wade. Wrong. There were a serious of steps, battles, the pro-death movement made that lead up to Roe v Wade. Legalized abortion was not an overnight event. It took time. It will take a series of steps to roll it back. It will take time.

Sometimes I think the only viable candidate for some pro-lifers is Jesus Christ. Sorry, he is not on the ticket. He has no interest in the job.

[dUSt]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1684286' date='Oct 23 2008, 11:14 AM']I will not deny that Bush has helped the pro-life movement...[/quote]
Yet, you post statements like this:

[i]"Eight years of a "pro-life" President and six years of the "pro-life" GOP in charge of the entire federal government and not one unborn baby's life has been saved.[/i]"

Why must somebody call you out before you are honest about it?

[HisChildForever]

Oh, you're posting in the election section. Again.

[rkwright]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1684282' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:00 AM']You people absolutely amaze me.

[b]Unborn Victims of Violence Act[/b] - signed into law by President George W. Bush on April 1, 2004

[b]The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act[/b] - signed into law August 5, 2002 by President Bush

[b]The Partial Birth Abortion Ban[/b] - signed into law by President Bush in 2003

Bush reinstated the [b]Mexico City Policy[/b] which requires countries who receive federal funding to refrain from performing or promoting abortion.

June 20, 2007, President Bush veto of legislation (S. 5) that would mandate federal funding of the type of stem cell research that requires the killing of human embryos

[b]Pro-life judges[/b] appointed to supreme court by Bush


Either you are blatant liars, intentionally deceiving people, or are simply grossly misinformed. Which is it? I really am tired of this.[/quote]


[quote name='kamiller42' post='1684290' date='Oct 23 2008, 10:19 AM']Bush promised to end abortion? Or did he promise to take steps to end abortion? Please provide a quote and citation so I may examine what he said.

He did end partial birth abortion.

Some people think abortion was legalized in one decision, Roe v Wade. Wrong. There were a serious of steps, battles, the pro-death movement made that lead up to Roe v Wade. Legalized abortion was not an overnight event. It took time. It will take a series of steps to roll it back. It will take time.

Sometimes I think the only viable candidate for some pro-lifers is Jesus Christ. Sorry, he is not on the ticket. He has no interest in the job.[/quote]

Right on you two!

Bush signed the Partial Birth Abortion ban, and then appointed judges who upheld it in the Supreme Court (the pro-choice movement challenged the ban, I think the case is Carhart v. Gonzales?).

That alone is a huge step for the pro-life movement, having a president who signed a law, and appointed judges that upheld that law. No other person in the pro-life movement has had this much success, and it looks like this is the start of something.

Give Bush some credit.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1684294' date='Oct 23 2008, 09:27 AM']Yet, you post statements like this:

[i]"Eight years of a "pro-life" President and six years of the "pro-life" GOP in charge of the entire federal government and not one unborn baby's life has been saved.[/i]"

Why must somebody call you out before you are honest about it?[/quote]
I posted an article that was an opinion piece by a Presidential candidate. How about you comment about the authors opinions instead of pinning them to me?