Hassan Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Alright, this double speak has gone on long enough. Could we stick to some consistant propaganda? On the one hand Obama is an abortion loveing, pro0gay marriage, anti family values, femma-nazi radical leftist. On the other hand he is a secret devout Muslim. Obviously these two are highly contradictory. So which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Very good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Both. Muslims believe its okay to murder unbelievers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1684086' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:57 AM']Very good point.[/quote] thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1684088' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:58 AM']Both. Muslims believe its okay to murder unbelievers.[/quote] Even if I accecpted your claim it still does not stand up as Islamic Theology teaches every child is born a Muslim, the fetus is not a Kafur, additionally he makes no exceptions for Muslim women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 [quote name='Hassan' post='1684081' date='Oct 22 2008, 10:54 PM']Alright, this double speak has gone on long enough. Could we stick to some consistant propaganda? On the one hand Obama is an abortion loveing, pro0gay marriage, anti family values, femma-nazi radical leftist. On the other hand he is a secret devout Muslim. Obviously these two are highly contradictory. So which is it?[/quote] Don't forget, he had an anti-American pastor who was apparently his mentor. Wow. He's good at being all things to all people. Maybe he really is the Messiah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1684095' date='Oct 23 2008, 01:00 AM']Don't forget, he had an anti-American pastor who was apparently his mentor. Wow. He's good at being all things to all people. Maybe he really is the Messiah?[/quote] A Christian Abortion Loveing Muslim who is also secretly a Communist (you know, that militantly atheistic ideology) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Hassan' post='1684081' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:54 AM']Alright, this double speak has gone on long enough. Could we stick to some consistant propaganda? On the one hand Obama is an abortion loveing, pro0gay marriage, anti family values, femma-nazi radical leftist. On the other hand he is a secret devout Muslim. Obviously these two are highly contradictory. So which is it?[/quote] This is what I have been trying to explain to my mother. She insists he is a secret Muslim. I don't think Obama is a muslim, nor do I think he is a Christian. He is a relativist. He doesn't believe in right or wrong. I don't think he is studying a higher power. His god is politics, and he will say whatever he must to please that god. He is the first, although I wouldn't go so far as to call him a nazi. He does hold some ideas of theirs when it comes to family and moral issues such as abortion and destorying the weak (the children), but I wouldn't go so far as to say he is a nazi. Edited October 23, 2008 by TotusTuusMaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I think Obama is like many Christians who support abortion. A man whose conscience has been malformed in this and many other matters; however, I don't think it is fair to call into question his faith in and love for Christ. He needs prayers for full and true conversion, just like all men and women do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1684427' date='Oct 23 2008, 05:30 PM']I think Obama is like many Christians who support abortion. A man whose conscience has been malformed in this and many other matters; however, I don't think it is fair to call into question his faith in and love for Christ. He needs prayers for full and true conversion, just like all men and women do.[/quote] I think it is fair. I really, sincerely do not believe he is truly a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1684428' date='Oct 23 2008, 06:31 PM']I think it is fair. I really, sincerely do not believe he is truly a Christian.[/quote] You are certainly entitled to your beliefs; however, at the end of the day, he's a sinner, just like the rest of us. His sins are recorded by CSPAN and VoteSmart, whereas ours are seen by our friends and family and, of course, by God. Prayers, my sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Obama was a muslim who converted to a fringe group of christianity where he remained for 20 years. As soon as his pastor's outrageous statements became political fodder, he dropped the guy like a hot potato [ his supposed friend and mentor] and moved on. Obama will be whatever he thinks people want him to be to get elected, his apparent skill is as a consensus builder. The buck has never stopped at his door. That is why the charge of "lack of experience" was crucial to his decision to select Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1684435' date='Oct 23 2008, 06:43 PM']Obama was a muslim who converted to a fringe group of christianity where he remained for 20 years. As soon as his pastor's outrageous statements became political fodder, he dropped the guy like a hot potato [ his supposed friend and mentor] and moved on. Obama will be whatever he thinks people want him to be to get elected, his apparent skill is as a consensus builder. The buck has never stopped at his door. That is why the charge of "lack of experience" was crucial to his decision to select Biden.[/quote] Can't really argue with about 90% of your post here, CM. I've never been convinced of any of the "proof" offered to support the assertion that he was a Muslim, but I won't doubt that he used the Rev. Wright scandal as political fodder. But can't we argue that all politicians play to their constituencies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1684434' date='Oct 23 2008, 05:39 PM']You are certainly entitled to your beliefs; however, at the end of the day, he's a sinner, just like the rest of us. His sins are recorded by CSPAN and VoteSmart, whereas ours are seen by our friends and family and, of course, by God. Prayers, my sister.[/quote] It is not because he is a sinner that I say he is not Christian. Like you said, I am a sinner and I am Christian. It is what he has said about sin, religion, and moral issues that makes me think he is not a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1684441' date='Oct 23 2008, 06:53 PM']It is not because he is a sinner that I say he is not Christian. Like you said, I am a sinner and I am Christian. It is what he has said about sin, religion, and moral issues that makes me think he is not a Christian.[/quote] Can one have a severely malformed conscience and still believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? Can such a person love Him, despite having such a deformed moral compass? I believe so because I believe that acknowledging His divinity is the first of many steps in our conversion. Obama does not have the moral foundation needed to be President, that much is indisputable. Yet, unless we can crawl into his heart and his mind, we are not qualified to say whether or not the man is a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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