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KnightofChrist

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[quote name='kamiller42' post='1689910' date='Oct 31 2008, 10:44 AM']You're right. Obama is going to win the military vote. :lol_roll:[/quote]
I didn't say that. However, this poll does not properly reflect the distribution of support.

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[quote name='kamiller42' post='1689902' date='Oct 31 2008, 12:38 PM']LET THEM DO THEIR DUTY. LET'S WIN IN IRAQ. Victory is at hand.[/quote]
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[*]A soldier's "duty" is whatever the civilian leadership tells him it is. Thus, if a President Obama said, "we're going to exit Iraq in 16 months in an orderly fashion and in a manner that maximizes force protection," it would be a soldier's "duty" to make that happen.
[*]What will "winning" in Iraq look like? What will constitute "victory?"
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KnightofChrist

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1689935' date='Oct 31 2008, 01:21 PM'][list=1]
[*]A soldier's "duty" is whatever the civilian leadership tells him it is. Thus, if a President Obama said, "we're going to exit Iraq in 16 months in an orderly fashion and in a manner that maximizes force protection," it would be a soldier's "duty" to make that happen.
[*]What will "winning" in Iraq look like? What will constitute "victory?"
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Put simply the oppose of defeat. Which is what you want when it comes down to it, and btw what Obama's policies will give us.

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[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1689935' date='Oct 31 2008, 01:21 PM'][list=1]
[*]A soldier's "duty" is whatever the civilian leadership tells him it is. Thus, if a President Obama said, "we're going to exit Iraq in 16 months in an orderly fashion and in a manner that maximizes force protection," it would be a soldier's "duty" to make that happen.
[*]What will "winning" in Iraq look like? What will constitute "victory?"
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Yes, if Obama orders surrender, the troops must pull back and come home in shame. That's looking out for the troops! :rolleyes:

What do you think about the "[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcFv3ZV9os"]Obama Doctrine[/url]," which says America will commit military forces to areas where there are not American interests threatened but humanitarian crises? How did Iraq not qualify?

What would victory in Iraq? Glad you asked because I know the media won't tell you.

[quote]VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED

As the central front in the global war on terror, success in Iraq is an essential element in the long war against the ideology that breeds international terrorism. Unlike past wars, however, victory in Iraq will not come in the form of an enemy's surrender, or be signaled by a single particular event -- there will be no Battleship Missouri, no Appomattox. The ultimate victory will be achieved in stages, and we expect:

* In the short term:
o An Iraq that is making steady progress in fighting terrorists and neutralizing the insurgency, meeting political milestones; building democratic institutions; standing up robust security forces to gather intelligence, destroy terrorist networks, and maintain security; and tackling key economic reforms to lay the foundation for a sound economy.
* In the medium term:
o An Iraq that is in the lead defeating terrorists and insurgents and providing its own security, with a constitutional, elected government in place, providing an inspiring example to reformers in the region, and well on its way to achieving its economic potential.
* In the longer term:
o An Iraq that has defeated the terrorists and neutralized the insurgency.
o An Iraq that is peaceful, united, stable, democratic, and secure, where Iraqis have the institutions and resources they need to govern themselves justly and provide security for their country.
o An Iraq that is a partner in the global war on terror and the fight against the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, integrated into the international community, an engine for regional economic growth, and proving the fruits of democratic governance to the region.

[url="http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/iraq_strategy_nov2005.html#part1"]Source[/url][/quote]
Ever heard that reported on the 5 o'clock news? Nope.

McCain's plan follows these goals. [url="http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/FDEB03A7-30B0-4ECE-8E34-4C7EA83F11D8.htm"]You can read about it at his site[/url].

The contrast between McCain and Obama's plans are clear. McCain will achieve victory. Obama will achieve defeat.

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