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dominicansoul

[quote name='Hassan' post='1691230' date='Nov 1 2008, 08:45 PM']what was sick about the woman?

To answer your question no, I do not think abortions are a good thing, and someone who uses abortion as a form of birth control is behaveing very immorally. However when it comes to a woman finding out her child will be born only long enough to suffer before dying I leave the choice up to her. If she decided to go through with the pregnancy that is her decision, if she chooses to abort the child to spare it the suffering that would come from being born that is also her decision and I have nothing but empathy for what she, her husband have had to go through.

I have worked with highly, highly deformed children. It's not a rosy picture. Some go on to live meaningfull lives, albeit highly deformed and crippled and shut out from the society that wanted them born in the first place. Others just lay in their cribs, with no cognitive action occasionally gurgling on their own salavia untill the nurse cleans their breathing tube.

It is a heartbreaking situation and I would never dare deprive it of all the moral complexity involved and simply scream about murders and hitler.[/quote]

The unborn scream during Abortions...

...that is the heartbreaking situation...that we have become a nation that allows women to do this to their children...

They are not all deformed, in fact I would dare say most of them are pretty healthy...
yet...they are being murdered even now as you write your mindless defense of their slaughter...

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[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1691244' date='Nov 1 2008, 08:52 PM']The unborn scream during Abortions...

...that is the heartbreaking situation...that we have become a nation that allows women to do this to their children...

They are not all deformed, in fact I would dare say most of them are pretty healthy...
yet...they are being murdered even now as you write your mindless defense of their slaughter...[/quote]


in this case, this woman whom you all have called a murderer, the fetus was highly, highly, deformed.

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Saint Therese

[quote name='Hassan' post='1691248' date='Nov 1 2008, 09:54 PM']in this case, this woman whom you all have called a murderer, the fetus was highly, highly, deformed.[/quote]

And?

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KnightofChrist

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1691262' date='Nov 1 2008, 10:12 PM']And?[/quote]

'Persons' who are severally handicap are not persons and do not have the rights of life and liberty.

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[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1691229' date='Nov 1 2008, 08:45 PM']The mother would first claim the fetus as her property, then when she goes for an abortion she signs over the fetus as property to the abortionist, which then after he or she murders the child sells that child's body to the highest bidder for scientific research.[/quote]

Last I checked, a fetus has never been claimed as 'legal property' in the sense slaves were considered legal property. And I'm pretty sure 'property' is not transfered to the abortionist before the abortion.

Unless you have some proof?

There are good analogies to the slaves (a fetus not being considered a 'person') but this isn't convincing so far...

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[quote name='Hassan' post='1691248' date='Nov 1 2008, 08:54 PM']in this case, this woman whom you all have called a murderer, the fetus was highly, highly, deformed.[/quote]

I would hope your not valuing a human life by its physical appearance?

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KnightofChrist

[quote name='rkwright' post='1691360' date='Nov 2 2008, 12:25 AM']Last I checked, a fetus has never been claimed as 'legal property' in the sense slaves were considered legal property. And I'm pretty sure 'property' is not transfered to the abortionist before the abortion.

Unless you have some proof?

There are good analogies to the slaves (a fetus not being considered a 'person') but this isn't convincing so far...[/quote]

The argument "it's my body" makes the case that the fetus is the property of the woman. From what I understand legally the fetus does not have the legal rights of personhood, the fetus is just a mass of cells which belong to the woman to do with what she wishes, this sounds like the fetus is the legal property of the woman, it is not a child but a thing, a thing is property. When a fetus is aborted, and when that dead child's body will be sold for medical research the woman gives over her ownership in some way to the abortion clinic. The abortion clinic then sells the child's body, how else could it unless it is their property and gives ownership to the buyer. The buyer then 'copyrights', claiming ownership of whatever new information they find in their research on the dead child.

Is this better understood?

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[quote name='Hassan' post='1691204' date='Nov 1 2008, 09:27 PM']Be specific. How is the abortionist a "master" and how is the fetus "subservient" to him or her?[/quote]
[url="http://www.abortiontruth.com/techniques.html"]http://www.abortiontruth.com/techniques.html[/url]

[url="http://www.klanparenthood.com/DeathCamps/Methods1.cfm#top"]http://www.klanparenthood.com/DeathCamps/Methods1.cfm#top[/url]


You asked!

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[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1691386' date='Nov 2 2008, 12:16 AM']The argument "it's my body" makes the case that the fetus is the property of the woman. From what I understand legally the fetus does not have the legal rights of personhood, the fetus is just a mass of cells which belong to the woman to do with what she wishes, this sounds like the fetus is the legal property of the woman, it is not a child but a thing, a thing is property. When a fetus is aborted, and when that dead child's body will be sold for medical research the woman gives over her ownership in some way to the abortion clinic. The abortion clinic then sells the child's body, how else could it unless it is their property and gives ownership to the buyer. The buyer then 'copyrights', claiming ownership of whatever new information they find in their research on the dead child.

Is this better understood?[/quote]

Edit: Being reminded of how blacks were property in former times...

Anyways, do you have a source on being able to buy parts of a fetus? I was under the impression that is illegal to buy and sell body parts?

Edit #2: I've looked for a source on this info but can't find one? Not trying to debate you on this, but I've just never heard of it...

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[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1691132' date='Nov 1 2008, 08:49 PM'][img]http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh165/hamburgerpatty_2008/abortionismurder.jpg[/img][/quote]

I just made this picture my new profile pic on facebook. People need to see the truth.

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[quote name='Hassan' post='1691248' date='Nov 1 2008, 09:54 PM']in this case, this woman whom you all have called a murderer, the fetus was highly, highly, deformed.[/quote]

I know that it is very scary to not have the perfect child. The woman gave into the pressures of society that says your life will be horrible and full of heartbreak and hard times if you have this child. I say let God be the "final say" of life and death and we do our best to educate and support these women that are preyed on by the lie that society feeds them, Highly deformed or not! I would say the doctor was the more the "murderer" then I would say the women was. I would say the woman was scared,lied to,selfish and only thinking of her and her husbands outcome in the adventure of a "Highly Deformed child". They said "No" to the journey and in doing that miss out on what really good things might have come of come from that. She will suffer the loss,yet right now she denies and justifies her actions. This is sad :sadder:

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[quote name='MandyKhatoon' post='1691413' date='Nov 2 2008, 02:16 AM']I just made this picture my new profile pic on facebook. People need to see the truth.[/quote]
I agree,if you can get 4000 pic's of them every day and line them up all at the white house,for a month what would that look like? Horrible! Worse then any war!

[url="http://www.klannedparenthood.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/Enlargement.cfm?ID=110"]http://www.klannedparenthood.com/Aborted_B...ment.cfm?ID=110[/url]

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KnightofChrist

[quote name='rkwright' post='1691410' date='Nov 2 2008, 02:07 AM']Edit: Being reminded of how blacks were property in former times...

Anyways, do you have a source on being able to buy parts of a fetus? I was under the impression that is illegal to buy and sell body parts?

Edit #2: I've looked for a source on this info but can't find one? Not trying to debate you on this, but I've just never heard of it...[/quote]

"Eyes and ears go for $75, and brains for $999. An "intact trunk" fetches $500, a whole liver $150."

Aborted Fetus are used to create vaccines

[url="http://www.cogforlife.org/vaticanresponse.htm"]http://www.cogforlife.org/vaticanresponse.htm[/url]

Fetal Harvesting

[url="http://www.nrlc.org/Baby_Parts/omeara.html"]http://www.nrlc.org/Baby_Parts/omeara.html[/url]
[url="http://www.prolife.com/HarvestingAbortedBabies.html"]http://www.prolife.com/HarvestingAbortedBabies.html[/url]

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dominicansoul

[quote name='MandyKhatoon' post='1691413' date='Nov 2 2008, 01:16 AM']I just made this picture my new profile pic on facebook. People need to see the truth.[/quote]


Great idea! I'm posting it as my new profile pic on myspace.

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[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1691616' date='Nov 2 2008, 02:28 PM']Great idea! I'm posting it as my new profile pic on myspace.[/quote]
Interesting Idea!

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