Republican Party Doesn't Understand America

[MC IMaGiNaZUN]

I guess what most Americans have been thinking and feeling and sensing within the past decade has little to do with how those in the GOP see things.

I hope this is a wake up call for the Republican Party to pay more attention to America and less attention to fear-mongerors, unethical-capitalists.

shalom
bro mark

[kujo]

Amen. I live in Orlando, a major metropolitan city. I'm a Republican. Am I a "real" American?

I think the Republican party needs to come together and revamp and repackage itself, much like the Democrats did after the trouncing they received in '04.

[Brother Adam]

55,000,000+ Americans voted for the GOP. Just a few points less than for BO.

[kujo]

Brother Adam,

I think that has to do with the choice they had to make. Most of us were severely dissatisfied with McCain (and Palin) but our choices were either him or a Democrat. Sure, Republicans voted Republican. Big deal.

If we want to make inroads into the "independents," as well as into the Democratic party, we need to modernize our platforms and policy positions while returning to the founding principles of our party--limited government, self-determinism and free-market economies.

[TotusTuusMaria]

I am not a Republican. I am a Christian, and I vote for Life. However, it seems to me Democrats don't understand how things work either.

No God = No Peace

Despite whatever promises they make, nothing will get better without the blessings of God. And as Pope John Paul II said, "A nation that kills it's children, is a nation without hope."

Edited November 5, 2008 by TotusTuusMaria

[kujo]

Democrats have changed that "no God" stance you accuse them of. Obama's campaign made many mentions of his faith and belief in God. Again, we may disagree with his politics and his religious rearing....yet you can't say that the party hasn't wrested the "religious reins" from the Republicans.

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='kujo' post='1694359' date='Nov 5 2008, 01:18 PM']Democrats have changed that "no God" stance you accuse them of. Obama's campaign made many mentions of his faith and belief in God. Again, we may disagree with his politics and his religious rearing....yet you can't say that the party hasn't wrested the "religious reins" from the Republicans.[/quote]

Made many mentions. Just saying, "Obama is Christian" does not change their "no God" stance. Every Democrat that has run says they are Christian.

The party in general does not care about pleasing God. They don't understand that you cannot be a country richly blessed if you are not following the will of God and you are murdering 3,000 innocent children every day. It doesn't work that way. And apparently, the party isn't the only one that doesn't get it... a ton of other people who swallowed Obama's words about them being happier and in a better shape financially don't get it either.

[Seven77]

[quote name='MC IMaGiNaZUN' post='1694345' date='Nov 5 2008, 12:08 PM']I guess what most Americans have been thinking and feeling and sensing within the past decade has little to do with how those in the GOP see things.

I hope this is a wake up call for the Republican Party to pay more attention to America and less attention to fear-mongerors, unethical-capitalists.

shalom
bro mark[/quote]

Word. GOP base needed to come off that Rev. Wright croutons, etc and speak up for truth on the life issues! Most Americans oppose abortion! Educate, inform the poor masses!!!

Election 2008: God brings good out of everything! Time to wake up, take note and stand firm!

[xyzv1]

What people forget:

This was the largest turnout of voters in American history.

This was the first election of an African-American to the presidency.

Obama's appeal cut across all lines: white/black/young/old/rich/poor/ Dem/s trad Republicans/ and yes, CATHOLICS. Obama carried Colorado, Archbishop Chaput's state, now with both senators Democratic, a Democratic governor and Democrats in the state legislature. Both of the abortion initiatives in Colorado and South Dakota lost.

Obama's margin is now 6%, a clear victory, not even close.

Obama raised 650 million dollars from THREE MILLION donors. HALF of that money was raised by donors giving less than $200.

Obama is a superb organizer, campaigner, and chooser of able people; he ran a virtually flawless campaign from the beginning.

ALL the polls predicted McCain's loss. I am surprised that the phorum was surprised.

McCain was too old; he had moved sharply to the right towards George Bush in recent years, choosing as his VP, without much consultation with his experienced staff, a polarizing woman who was felt to unready for national office. Most polls of[i] Republicans[/i] in the last month felt that she was not ready; she definitely did not help the ticket. McCain lost the independents and the traditional Republicans, who are financially conservative and well-educated. It was foolish to think that Palin would attract disaffected Clinton supporters; in the end, 80% of former Hillary Clinton supporters voted for Obama.

Bush has left this country with an unresolved, totally unnecessary war, another was ignored until almost too late, double the national debt, the lowest esteem abroad ever, attacks on the Constitution and the environment, the latter possibly irreversible, and the economy in the worst crisis since the Great Depression, possibly worse, as this crisis is only beginning.

McCain, in his moves to the right, would have been unable to disassociate himself from Bush and his incredibly eistructive policies. Bush is going down as either the worst or second-worst president in history.

Making abortion illegal will not decrease its incidence; it will simply drive it underground. Roumania made abortion and contraception illegal and ended up with orphanages filled with irreversibly damaged children, most of them unadoptable. The best preventions to abortion are sex education and contraception, which Bill Clinton realized; abortions have increased during Bush's terms, not decreased. Northern Europe, which has free and readily available sex education, contraception and abortion, [i]and [/i]SOCIALIST-type states which support pregnancy leave, child day-care and universal health care, have the[i] lowest[/i] abortion rates in the WORLD, documented by the best statistics. The president of Brazil, wanting to decrease the rate of illegal abortion and maternal deaths, made it legal.

Bush's opposition to international abortion had the effect of withholding funds for contraception, thus [i]increasing [/i]the rate of abortion.

[Norseman82]

What the GOP needs is another Newt Gingrich. Love him or hate him, in 1993 he took command of the GOP house members, laid out a clear plan and campaign (10-point "Contract with America") , recruited people, took advantage of Clinton missteps, and once the GOP retook the house, brought most of the "Contract with America" items to a vote (even though many did not succeed).

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='xyzv1' post='1694396' date='Nov 5 2008, 12:43 PM']What people forget:

This was the largest turnout of voters in American history.

This was the first election of an African-American to the presidency.

Obama's appeal cut across all lines: white/black/young/old/rich/poor/ Dem/s trad Republicans/ and yes, CATHOLICS. Obama carried Colorado, Archbishop Chaput's state, now with both senators Democratic, a Democratic governor and Democrats in the state legislature. Both of the abortion initiatives in Colorado and South Dakota lost.

Obama's margin is now 6%, a clear victory, not even close.

Obama raised 650 million dollars from THREE MILLION donors. HALF of that money was raised by donors giving less than $200.

Obama is a superb organizer, campaigner, and chooser of able people; he ran a virtually flawless campaign from the beginning.

ALL the polls predicted McCain's loss. I am surprised that the phorum was surprised.

McCain was too old; he had moved sharply to the right towards George Bush in recent years, choosing as his VP, without much consultation with his experienced staff, a polarizing woman who was felt to unready for national office. Most polls of[i] Republicans[/i] in the last month felt that she was not ready; she definitely did not help the ticket. McCain lost the independents and the traditional Republicans, who are financially conservative and well-educated. It was foolish to think that Palin would attract disaffected Clinton supporters; in the end, 80% of former Hillary Clinton supporters voted for Obama.

Bush has left this country with an unresolved, totally unnecessary war, another was ignored until almost too late, double the national debt, the lowest esteem abroad ever, attacks on the Constitution and the environment, the latter possibly irreversible, and the economy in the worst crisis since the Great Depression, possibly worse, as this crisis is only beginning.

McCain, in his moves to the right, would have been unable to disassociate himself from Bush and his incredibly eistructive policies. Bush is going down as either the worst or second-worst president in history.

Making abortion illegal will not decrease its incidence; it will simply drive it underground. Roumania made abortion and contraception illegal and ended up with orphanages filled with irreversibly damaged children, most of them unadoptable. The best preventions to abortion are sex education and contraception, which Bill Clinton realized; abortions have increased during Bush's terms, not decreased. Northern Europe, which has free and readily available sex education, contraception and abortion, [i]and [/i]SOCIALIST-type states which support pregnancy leave, child day-care and universal health care, have the[i] lowest[/i] abortion rates in the WORLD, documented by the best statistics. The president of Brazil, wanting to decrease the rate of illegal abortion and maternal deaths, made it legal.

Bush's opposition to international abortion had the effect of withholding funds for contraception, thus [i]increasing [/i]the rate of abortion.[/quote]

What this entire post seems to forget is that nothing increases or decreases abortion but God's grace. What this post seems to forget is all of those wonderful successes mean absolutely nothing compared to how our country will appear awful in the sight of God, as we will continue to kill the innocent.

Abortion is the fruit of contraception and "Sex education."

Without God no peace will come. I don't understand why Christians are not getting that. God's blessing and doing His will is the only thing that matters. Without that we have no hope to prosper or attain peace.

People continue to want to put that on the back burner and focus on all of these great 'worldy" successes such as a black man becoming president, numerous people turning out to vote, yada yada yada... yeah that is all good, but if God will not be glorified through this and His Will will be ignored... then why celebrate? Why be happy and content? Doing God's will is the only thing that matters and it is the only way we will have peace. We are not doing it, and sadly because of that we will not be granted peace. May God have mercy on us.

[kamiller42]

[quote name='kujo' post='1694359' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:18 AM']Democrats have changed that "no God" stance you accuse them of. Obama's campaign made many mentions of his faith and belief in God. Again, we may disagree with his politics and his religious rearing....yet you can't say that the party hasn't wrested the "religious reins" from the Republicans.[/quote]
Yes, they use God as a campaign talking point. They take their faith coat off when then enter D.C. God wants righteous leaders. (I don't mean "righteous" in the modern "ain't he cool?" sense.) We will see how righteous he governs.

1 Hear, therefore, kings, and understand; learn, you magistrates of the earth's expanse!
2 Hearken, you who are in power over the multitude and lord it over throngs of peoples!
3 Because authority was given you by the LORD and sovereignty by the Most High, who shall [b]probe your works and scrutinize your counsels![/b]
(Wis 6:1-3)

The problem with the republicans is not their message; it's their inability to communicate it. Based on the outcome of social initiatives on the ballots, I think they are not alone in the problem. Christianity, not just Catholics, needs some Aarons. We have a lot of Moses'es walking around, but few Aarons.

Republicans also need to communicate their message and carry it out. There were a lot of success over the last 8 years but a few hard failures hurt.

[Seven77]

Abortion is a crime against humanity. Crime should be illegal not merely reduced. What you are saying doesn't make sense. I pity you for your illogical conclusions. Sex ed (promiscuity) and contraception (lust) go against love and responsibility...the only two things that can reduce abortion.

I believe in real change--that of the heart. And in hope--that of eternity and eternal justice. You friend, do not inspire either with your post. But you will never take it from us. We go on hoping and loving...now more than ever.

God love you.

[quote name='xyzv1' post='1694396' date='Nov 5 2008, 12:43 PM']Making abortion illegal will not decrease its incidence; it will simply drive it underground. Roumania made abortion and contraception illegal and ended up with orphanages filled with irreversibly damaged children, most of them unadoptable. The best preventions to abortion are sex education and contraception, which Bill Clinton realized; abortions have increased during Bush's terms, not decreased. Northern Europe, which has free and readily available sex education, contraception and abortion, [i]and [/i]SOCIALIST-type states which support pregnancy leave, child day-care and universal health care, have the[i] lowest[/i] abortion rates in the WORLD, documented by the best statistics. The president of Brazil, wanting to decrease the rate of illegal abortion and maternal deaths, made it legal.

Bush's opposition to international abortion had the effect of withholding funds for contraception, thus [i]increasing [/i]the rate of abortion.[/quote]

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Seven77' post='1694438' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:09 AM']Abortion is a crime against humanity. Crime should be illegal not merely reduced. What you are saying doesn't make sense. I pity you for your illogical conclusions. Sex ed (promiscuity) and contraception (lust) go against love and responsibility...the only two things that can reduce abortion.

I believe in real change--that of the heart. And in hope--that of eternity and eternal justice. You friend, do not inspire either with your post. But you will never take it from us. We go on hoping and loving...now more than ever.

God love you.[/quote]
Side note, sexual education does not cause promiscuity. Please provide evidence that it somehow does.

One can be educated about sex and still be chaste.

[kamiller42]

[quote name='xyzv1' post='1694396' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:43 AM']What people forget:

This was the largest turnout of voters in American history.[/quote]
Not true. The turnout is about what it was for 2004. [url="http://www.100bestwebsites.org/alt/evmaps/electoral-maps.htm"]Source[/url]

[quote]This was the first election of an African-American to the presidency.

Obama's appeal cut across all lines: white/black/young/old/rich/poor/ Dem/s trad Republicans/ and yes, CATHOLICS. Obama carried Colorado, Archbishop Chaput's state, now with both senators Democratic, a Democratic governor and Democrats in the state legislature. Both of the abortion initiatives in Colorado and South Dakota lost.[/quote]
It is the first \African-American (label not in the PC sense either!) president. The civil rights movement has passed. All those "leaders' need to find new jobs.

In regards to Obama's wins with Catholics and Christians means we have to work harder to explain our faith and how it is attached to our day to day life. If God's chosen people had some stinker kings, I am not surprised when America make a mistake.
[quote]Obama's margin is now 6%, a clear victory, not even close.

Obama raised 650 million dollars from THREE MILLION donors. HALF of that money was raised by donors giving less than $200.[/quote]
It's actually closer to 700 million, with several million in illegal funds. I know. The law is more a guideline than a rule.

What happens to the outrage we saw when republicans out raised democrats? Weren't they called greedy and their offices purchased? Now it's okay? Check.

[quote]Obama is a superb organizer, campaigner, and chooser of able people; he ran a virtually flawless campaign from the beginning.

ALL the polls predicted McCain's loss. I am surprised that the phorum was surprised.[/quote]
Yes, our president is a community organizer. Wonderful qualification for the executive office.

Some polls had McCain within a margin of error. There was hope (Yea. Some Christians have some of that without having to need a slick talking campaigner telling them so.) the margin of error would fall McCain's way.

[quote]McCain was too old; he had moved sharply to the right towards George Bush in recent years, choosing as his VP, without much consultation with his experienced staff, a polarizing woman who was felt to unready for national office. Most polls of[i] Republicans[/i] in the last month felt that she was not ready; she definitely did not help the ticket. McCain lost the independents and the traditional Republicans, who are financially conservative and well-educated. It was foolish to think that Palin would attract disaffected Clinton supporters; in the end, 80% of former Hillary Clinton supporters voted for Obama.[/quote]
"Too old." I really hate the air of ageism that floats around these days. We have so little respect for our elders.

Sharp turns toward the right? Did you miss his vote on the bailout bill? What did Palin say or do to consider her hard right? I would like to know.

[quote]Bush has left this country with an unresolved, totally unnecessary war, another was ignored until almost too late, double the national debt, the lowest esteem abroad ever, attacks on the Constitution and the environment, the latter possibly irreversible, and the economy in the worst crisis since the Great Depression, possibly worse, as this crisis is only beginning.[/quote]
Did you hear we are winning the Iraq war? Did you hear the Dear One said he would use military force for purely humanitarian crises? How does Iraq not qualify?

Did you know the democrat party takes a majority of the blame for the credit crisis? And you reward them by giving them more power?

[quote]Bush's opposition to international abortion had the effect of withholding funds for contraception, thus [i]increasing [/i]the rate of abortion.[/quote]
Why should I as an American tax payer pay for abortions in foreign countries? What do you think of the reports of abstinence working in Africa cited in [url="http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12226"]this article[/url]?