Resurrexi Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 The history of the various psalter translations and schemata is very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Erm... I've only ever prayed with the current Psalter, typically used by Roman Catholic clergy and religious.... Sometimes I don't care for some of the translations... sometimes I like them better than others I've heard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) The translations listed in the poll are all in Latin. The schemata, though, can obviously be used in any language. Edited June 24, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 There are different types of monastic. The one-week psalter is common, but so is the two-week. And it can vary wildly from monastery to monastery... oh, the binders and ribbons and lay-in sheets! My community chants the British edition Divine Office with mostly different hymns and the Dominican compline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1900794' date='Jun 24 2009, 05:34 PM']The history of the various psalter translations and schemata is very interesting.[/quote] Wow, you are really a nerd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1900810' date='Jun 24 2009, 05:16 PM']There are different types of monastic. The one-week psalter is common, but so is the two-week. And it can vary wildly from monastery to monastery... oh, the binders and ribbons and lay-in sheets! My community chants the British edition Divine Office with mostly different hymns and the Dominican compline.[/quote] In the poll I was talking about [url="http://www.kellerbook.com/Monastic.htm"]this[/url] Benedictine schema. It is that is used in the EF Monastic Breviary. [quote name='philothea' post='1900827' date='Jun 24 2009, 05:40 PM']Wow, you are really a nerd. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I don't know which one I use actually...how do I find out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1900847' date='Jun 24 2009, 06:10 PM']I don't know which one I use actually...how do I find out?[/quote] What Breviary do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1900846' date='Jun 25 2009, 02:07 AM']In the poll I was talking about [url="http://www.kellerbook.com/Monastic.htm"]this[/url] Benedictine schema. It is that is used in the EF Monastic Breviary. [/quote] I gathered as much, but what for the people who prefer the two-week? They have nothing to vote for. [quote name='picchick' post='1900847' date='Jun 25 2009, 02:10 AM']I don't know which one I use actually...how do I find out?[/quote] If you don't know, you use the four-week OF If you don't know AND you spend so much time on the Office that you don't have time for Phatmass, you use the Benedictine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) *sigh* I only pray the 4 week Ordinary Form. For EF, I wanna get into Benedictine (cause they're my favourite order ). What translation do you recommend? [edit] Or maybe I wanna pray Pius X version? Hmmm... choices! Edited June 25, 2009 by Sacred Music Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) I would definitely get recommend getting the [url="http://www.farnboroughabbey.org/press/dirunal.php"]Monastic Diurnal[/url]. I personally have the [url="http://www.aquinasandmore.com/index.cfm/title/Diurnale-Romanum/FuseAction/store.ItemDetails/SKU/1358/"][i]Diurnale Romanum[/i][/url], but I wish that I had gotten the [i]Monasticum[/i]. The [i]Monastic Diurnal[/i] has the benefit of being in both Latin and English, as opposed to the only edition of the [i]Roman Diurnal[/i] on the market, which is in Latin only. I also have come to discover that I prefer the Monastic psalter schema to the Pius X. The Monastic schema is actually much more traditional, having been arranged by St. Benedict 1500 years ago. The Pius X schema was arranged by a committee at the Vatican only 100 years ago. Also on the market is the [url="http://www.breviariumromanum.com/home_en.html"][i]Breviarium Romanum[/i][/url]. I would recommend against getting this as it is much more expensive than the Diurnale and it is only in Latin. The only benefit in getting the [i]Breviarium Romanum[/i] is that it has Matins while the others do not. However, Matins is extremely long. Perhaps you would have time to pray it, but I know that I don't. Edited June 25, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 My sister has the Monastic Diurnal and she's tremendously happy with it. It's very cute. Much smaller than I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1901458' date='Jun 25 2009, 06:06 PM']I would definitely get recommend getting the [url="http://www.farnboroughabbey.org/press/dirunal.php"]Monastic Diurnal[/url]. I personally have the [url="http://www.aquinasandmore.com/index.cfm/title/Diurnale-Romanum/FuseAction/store.ItemDetails/SKU/1358/"][i]Diurnale Romanum[/i][/url], but I wish that I had gotten the [i]Monasticum[/i]. The [i]Monastic Diurnal[/i] has the benefit of being in both Latin and English, as opposed to the only edition of the [i]Roman Diurnal[/i] on the market, which is in Latin only. I also have come to discover that I prefer the Monastic psalter schema to the Pius X. The Monastic schema is actually much more traditional, having been arranged by St. Benedict 1500 years ago. The Pius X schema was arranged by a committee at the Vatican only 100 years ago. Also on the market is the [url="http://www.breviariumromanum.com/home_en.html"][i]Breviarium Romanum[/i][/url]. I would recommend against getting this as it is much more expensive than the Diurnale and it is only in Latin. The only benefit in getting the [i]Breviarium Romanum[/i] is that it has Matins while the others do not. However, Matins is extremely long. Perhaps you would have time to pray it, but I know that I don't. [/quote] Verbum. Thanks for the help. I think I'll consider investing in the Monastic Diurnal. 1500 years of experience says it all for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie-Therese Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Rex, since you seem to be the current resident expert on this subject, can you recommend a Carmelite breviary? I currently have the [i]Little Office of the BVM[/i] (Baronius Press) which is in Latin and English, but I have no breviary of the larger office excepting the current NAB breviary, which translation I find abominable. I note that the Monastic Diurnal you linked to is wonderful but seems Benedictine in focus, which is why I wonder that there is a Carmelite equivalent. If not, that Diurnal looks pretty good. Thanks for all the info...the depths of your brain never cease to amaze me. Edited June 28, 2009 by Marie-Therese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 As far as I am aware, there is no Latin-English Carmelite Breviary in print today. Your best bet would probably be to check EBay. I could also try to contact [url="http://www.carmelitemonks.org/index.html"]these EF Carmelite monks[/url] associated with the diocese of Cheyenne, Wyoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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