Angel*Star Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1947781' date='Aug 13 2009, 01:39 AM']I was talking about God. You need to trust in God and pray for the best rather than turning this whole attempt at reform into a national debauchery.[/quote] So, let Obama do what he wants and hope God gets us out of it? Maybe God gave us a brain and a mouth for a reason? Not to be subserviant to Obama! Oh, do you think the Colonists should have just prayed to God and let England tax them out of house and home? I really wonder why you trust Obama so much. Are you cousins? [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1947784' date='Aug 13 2009, 01:41 AM']That would be the part of the reform that says you can keep your private insurance... no one is making you do anything. However, I'm sure the disadvantaged people who can't afford to have insurance will be ecstatic to be able to finally see a doctor.[/quote] But if my baby is born AFTER this takes effect, I HAVE to put him/her on the government plan. AND we can NEVER change insurance plans again. If we do we HAVE to take the government plan. AND we HAVE to have insurance. Ah, freedom. The ability to choose if I want the government plan or the government plan. Ah, freedom. Doctors will get paid to tell my mom to just die for the sake of the country. Edited August 13, 2009 by Angel*Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Why can't I ,with charities help these people. Get these people help but I am not part of the problem!!! I should have a choice as should my (God willing) children. I am totally for a reform but I am totally against socialism in ANY way. Fine so I get to keep my insurance though the company can not add any new people. I had a sister born 2 years ago with a cleft lip and pallet. She was born as beautiful as ever however surgery was needed. Right before she was born, My mom knowing that nursing was the best for babies , wanted to try very hard so that she could nurse. Where we live, when my mom and dad talked with the local doctors about nursing- they laughed and said it was impossible blah blah and they won't even try. The local doctors work was "decent" however scars were obvious not to mention they wanted to drag surgery out for entire year. And knowing some body who had the surgery done in St. Louis, regretted not going to Virgina for this doctor. My parents were very concerned about scars and stuff. Within a week my parents got 3 referrals for a doctor up in Virgina. 3 different sources pointing to the same guy who did excellant work. Time was tapping away for making a decision, if my parents wanted to go out of town - they needed to change insurance companies. So they took a leap of faith and did. And this doctor was totally amazing. At 28 days old my little darling sister went into surgery. He fixed the pallet and mouth in that one surgery. And encouraged my mom to nurse as soon and as much as she felt necessary. Not only is facial scars considered but also speech issues. She has had a couple surgeries later down the road and will need 1-2 more. though this is nit picky stuff. Because my parents had the surgery earlier, issues with speech isn't as worse, naturally the scar isn't as bad- in fact many people can't even tell!!! Things would have been a lot different for the worse -if we didn't have that option / freedom. ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/john+powell/track/jasons+theme"]John Powell - Jason's Theme[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel*Star Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I wonder if she would have had the surgeries at all under Obama Care. After all, she could eat, right? Maybe the surgery wasn't really necessary. Don't worry Princess, I am being sarcastic. I am sure your little sister is beautiful (just like we all want to be!) I hear people in other parts of the world walk for days to get the surgery done. The kids are no longer made fun of at school and they aren't ashamed. They can talk and eat and live a normal life. What promise do we have that these kids would be taken care of? Why, again, would we trust what the politicians say? When was the last time they did not contradict themselves at some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Angel*Star' post='1947802' date='Aug 13 2009, 02:02 AM']So, let Obama do what he wants and hope God gets us out of it? Maybe God gave us a brain and a mouth for a reason? Not to be subserviant to Obama! Oh, do you think the Colonists should have just prayed to God and let England tax them out of house and home? I really wonder why you trust Obama so much. Are you cousins? But if my baby is born AFTER this takes effect, I HAVE to put him/her on the government plan. AND we can NEVER change insurance plans again. If we do we HAVE to take the government plan. AND we HAVE to have insurance. Ah, freedom. The ability to choose if I want the government plan or the government plan. Ah, freedom. Doctors will get paid to tell my mom to just die for the sake of the country. [/quote] I don't mean this in a cruel or rude way. But reading your posts you really seem to be divorced from reality. I mean you honestly seem to be living in some melodrama. No one is trying to make you subserviant to Obama. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader. The representatives crafting the bill are democratically elected leaders. You seem to ignore this. Pretending rather that they are Stalinist strong men who forced their way into power. I'm sorry you don't like where the country is going. I didn't like the direction the country went in for the last eight years. Sorry if you don't like that, but it's kind of how democracy works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Angel*Star' post='1947779' date='Aug 13 2009, 01:36 AM']While abortion advocacy groups like Planned Parenthood and NARAL, with help from their friends in the mainstream media, have attempted to explain away how the government-run health care plans would pay for abortions, one of their own finally admitted that to be the case. During a Monday town hall event, pro-abortion Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat, acknowledged that the Congressional bills include abortion funding. "Abortion will be covered as a benefit by one or more of the healthcare plans available to Americans, and I think it should be," she said. In a video provided to LifeNews.com by pro-life advocate David Schmidt, local pro-life advocate Ignacio Reyes asks Lofgren about the health care plan. He says he wants to know if the plan would be "covering abortion, which we know that 90 percent of abortions are purely elective, not medically necessary. Why is this being covered when abortion is clearly not health care." Full story at LifeNews.com[/quote] So I guess what you are saying is that no, you cannot tell me where the bill actually says it will fund abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Um actually it was all my mom did was fed her for the first month. because of her pallet-or lack thereof she could not swallow. The doctor in St. Louis wanted to wait a year!!!!! She lost so much weight. It was hard but it has made our family stronger. The Doctor (Dr. William P. Magee Jr.) that did my little sister's surgery started [url="http://www.operationsmile.org/"]Operation Smile[/url]. He and his wife are making such an amazing difference in the world. In fact he does the missionary work for free. And for little kids- he will only charge a portion. But if you are an adult who is vain...that's where he makes all the big bucks. Quite amazing. I had the honor to meet him one time.And his wife. Very good humble people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel*Star Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1947824' date='Aug 13 2009, 02:24 AM']So I guess what you are saying is that no, you cannot tell me where the bill actually says it will fund abortion.[/quote] Read between the lines. They are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1947821' date='Aug 13 2009, 01:23 AM']I don't mean this in a cruel or rude way. But reading your posts you really seem to be divorced from reality. I mean you honestly seem to be living in some melodrama. No one is trying to make you subserviant to Obama. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader. The representatives crafting the bill are democratically elected leaders. You seem to ignore this. Pretending rather that they are Stalinist strong men who forced their way into power. I'm sorry you don't like where the country is going. I didn't like the direction the country went in for the last eight years. Sorry if you don't like that, but it's kind of how democracy works.[/quote] Um yea talk about being rude. And I believe that Angel*star can vocalize her opinion and concerns against the government. Were you silent in the last 8 years? And figure oh well "they can do whatever" or did you in groups of friends and enemies alike, vocalize your opinion? And try to change what you could. ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/john+powell/track/alexander+platz+abbotts+confesses"]John Powell - Alexander Platz/Abbotts Confesses[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='princessgianna' post='1947803' date='Aug 13 2009, 01:02 AM']Why can't I ,with charities help these people. Get these people help but I am not part of the problem!!! I should have a choice as should my (God willing) children. I am totally for a reform but I am totally against socialism in ANY way.[/quote] Like the socialism we have in out military? We need to get rid of that aweful single payer we have the military on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel*Star Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Hassan' post='1947821' date='Aug 13 2009, 02:23 AM']I don't mean this in a cruel or rude way. But reading your posts you really seem to be divorced from reality. I mean you honestly seem to be living in some melodrama. No one is trying to make you subserviant to Obama. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader. The representatives crafting the bill are democratically elected leaders. You seem to ignore this. Pretending rather that they are Stalinist strong men who forced their way into power. I'm sorry you don't like where the country is going. I didn't like the direction the country went in for the last eight years. Sorry if you don't like that, but it's kind of how democracy works.[/quote] I do like the way democracy works. That is why I want a choice in my health care and I can disagree with them. You all seem to say if we disagree we are melodrama and divorced from reality. Didn't the colonists disagree with the King of England? Why is that okay and this isn't I know Obama is your hero. Good for you. He is my president, too. And the representatives and sentators have a responsibility to represent me in Congress, too. So, they need to know how I feel about these issues. I have concerns and they are not addressing them to my satisfation. Since I am paying for it, I want to have some say in it. What is wrong with that? I need to get to sleep. I have responsibilities to attend to in the morning and my husband has to go to work. We are not 19 and able to say absurd things as if we know what we are talking about. We live and work in this world and KNOW what we are talking about. Edited August 13, 2009 by Angel*Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Angel*Star' post='1947835' date='Aug 13 2009, 01:34 AM']I do like the way democracy works.[/quote] I'm sorry but you sure don't seem to. It seems that either the political tides go the way you want or you make up really slanderous and unfounded accusiations against politicians and political movements you disagree with. [quote]That is why I want a choice in my health care and I can disagree with them.[/quote] You are free to disagree with it. However if the larger populace disagrees with you will you accecpt it? [quote]You all seem to say if we disagree we are melodrama and divorced from reality.[/quote] No I am not talking about the opposition movement in general, I mean you yourself. Perhapse you just use hyperbolic language. [quote]Didn't the colonists disagree with the King of England? Why is that okay and this isn't I know Obama is your hero.[/quote] He's not my hero. [quote]Good for you. He is my president, too. And the representatives and sentators have a responsibility to represent me in Congress, too. So, they need to know how I feel about these issues. I have concerns and they are not addressing them to my satisfation. Since I am paying for it, I want to have some say in it. What is wrong with that?[/quote] Nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamiller42 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1947834' date='Aug 13 2009, 02:34 AM']Like the socialism we have in out military? We need to get rid of that aweful single payer we have the military on.[/quote] The medical care the military receives is an employer to employee benefit backed by the U.S. constitution. Citizens are not employees of the state. And is military healthcare perfect? No. Neither is Obama's plan, so I wish the supporters would stop portraying it as foolproof healthcare utopia with no costs in money or power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Angel*Star' post='1947835' date='Aug 13 2009, 02:34 AM']I do like the way democracy works. That is why I want a choice in my health care and I can disagree with them. You all seem to say if we disagree we are melodrama and divorced from reality. Didn't the colonists disagree with the King of England? Why is that okay and this isn't I know Obama is your hero. Good for you. He is my president, too. And the representatives and sentators have a responsibility to represent me in Congress, too. So, they need to know how I feel about these issues. I have concerns and they are not addressing them to my satisfation. Since I am paying for it, I want to have some say in it. What is wrong with that? I need to get to sleep. I have responsibilities to attend to in the morning and my husband has to go to work. We are not 19 and able to say absurd things as if we know what we are talking about. We live and work in this world and KNOW what we are talking about.[/quote] The problem is you have at least on this subject a conservative viewpoint. Conservatives are liars, stupid, unpatriotic and unamerican. Is that slanderous? No, of course not because that's the lefts argument against those that do not accept the leftist interpretation of this bill. Sure you have a right to disagree but nothing you've said so far applies, and guess what it will stay that way as long as you disagree, but that's a secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1947936' date='Aug 13 2009, 06:06 AM']The problem is you have at least on this subject a conservative viewpoint. Conservatives are liars, stupid, unpatriotic and unamerican. Is that slanderous? No, of course not because that's the lefts argument against those that do not accept the leftist interpretation of this bill. Sure you have a right to disagree but nothing you've said so far applies, and guess what it will stay that way as long as you disagree, but that's a secret.[/quote] Yes, actually, saying any of those things against anyone, when it is not true, is slanderous. Stop putting words in people's mouths. No one is calling their disagreement any of those things. I've told you many times what I think about their refusal to understand the bill, but no one is calling them those things because they disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel*Star Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' date='Aug 13 2009, 02:40 AM' post='1947842'] I'm sorry but you sure don't seem to. It seems that either the political tides go the way you want or you make up really slanderous and unfounded accusiations against politicians and political movements you disagree with. You are free to disagree with it. However if the larger populace disagrees with you will you accecpt it? /quote] He is my president, right? I did not vote for him. Do I accept him as my president. I have no choice in the matter just like I have no choice to pay taxes. Do I have to agree with it? NO! There is a difference between accepting something and agreeing with something. And when exactly did I get slanderous? Do you remember George Bush (the first one)? Where you born then? His phrase to get elected was "Read my lips. No new taxes." Guess what! We got new taxes. Did I agree? NO! Did I accept? Had no choice. Could I speak out and vote? YES! And he was Republican, so I don't pick and choose which parties to disagree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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