laetitia crucis Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Ave Maria! I recently saw this posted on the [url="http://marymediatrix.com"]Franciscans of the Immaculate[/url]'s website [url="http://missiomariae.net"]MissioMariae.net[/url]: [url="http://missiomariae.net/church/m-local-churche/248-study-new-religious-vocations-are-attracted-by-traditional-religious-life.html?fontstyle=f-larger"]Study: New Religious Vocations are Attracted by the Traditional religious life[/url] My apologies if this has already been posted, I haven't seen it recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnavarro61 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 yes, i think it's true, very true. less people are attracted to the more relaxed orders. i think it is good to study (esp in the field of psychology) why people want the "opposite. probably people before want a relaxed rule, now, having a relaxed rule, they want the traditional. i hope this is not offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 [quote name='tnavarro61' post='1949536' date='Aug 15 2009, 04:35 PM']yes, i think it's true, very true. less people are attracted to the more relaxed orders. i think it is good to study (esp in the field of psychology) why people want the "opposite. probably people before want a relaxed rule, now, having a relaxed rule, they want the traditional. i hope this is not offensive.[/quote] I don't think it's offensive at all! Vatican II and women's liberation has shaken the religious world around, almost entirely in a good way. You won't see many sisters anymore who are only in the convent because they don't want to be housewives, or because they love to teach. And I bet the Nashville Dominicans weren't all so extremely well-educated (often with two Master's degrees apiece) in the 1950s. So VCII = Good Thing for religious life. Only, as with every change of direction, a sizeable portion over-reached, and you get a corrective movement in the other direction. After a while we'll regain some sort of equilibrium, and then sometime in the next century the world will be turned around on the scale of the 1960s and we can start this discussion anew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlmom Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1949555' date='Aug 15 2009, 10:13 AM']I don't think it's offensive at all! Vatican II and women's liberation has shaken the religious world around, almost entirely in a good way. You won't see many sisters anymore who are only in the convent because they don't want to be housewives, or because they love to teach. And I bet the Nashville Dominicans weren't all so extremely well-educated (often with two Master's degrees apiece) in the 1950s. So VCII = Good Thing for religious life. Only, as with every change of direction, a sizeable portion over-reached, and you get a corrective movement in the other direction. After a while we'll regain some sort of equilibrium, and then sometime in the next century the world will be turned around on the scale of the 1960s and we can start this discussion anew [/quote] Well said. We'll miss you when you're gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 [quote name='stlmom' post='1949580' date='Aug 15 2009, 06:34 PM']Well said. We'll miss you when you're gone [/quote] I'll try bilocation. Hey, it worked for St. Martin de Porres... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisLove726 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1949608' date='Aug 15 2009, 12:28 PM'] I'll try bilocation. Hey, it worked for St. Martin de Porres...[/quote] ...and St. Padre Pio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnavarro61 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 i think that Vatican II is very beautiful, and fruitful. But some misunderstood it and took it to the extremes. Venite said it right: equilibrium! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisLove726 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 [quote name='tnavarro61' post='1950157' date='Aug 15 2009, 09:56 PM']i think that Vatican II is very beautiful, and fruitful. But some misunderstood it and took it to the extremes. Venite said it right: equilibrium![/quote] It's a problem with the translation, I'm sure. Many took the changes and mistook them. Especially the part about modifying the habits to the times. I know a lot of religious orders thought that meant don't wear a habit at all. My former community of interest, the Carmelite Sisters of the Divine Heart of Jesus, made good changes to their habit. The old veil was too much of a hindrance and produce a "blinder effect." Now, they just have the wrap around veil and the modified Carmelite habit, with no wimple (they never had one before either). BEFORE: [img]http://carmelitedcj.org/foundress/mariat.jpg[/img] AFTER: [img]http://carmelitedcj.org/life/at_prayer.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnavarro61 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 [quote name='InHisLove726' post='1950174' date='Aug 16 2009, 11:30 AM']It's a problem with the translation, I'm sure. Many took the changes and mistook them. Especially the part about modifying the habits to the times. I know a lot of religious orders thought that meant don't wear a habit at all. My former community of interest, the Carmelite Sisters of the Divine Heart of Jesus, made good changes to their habit. The old veil was too much of a hindrance and produce a "blinder effect." Now, they just have the wrap around veil and the modified Carmelite habit, with no wimple (they never had one before either). BEFORE: [img]http://carmelitedcj.org/foundress/mariat.jpg[/img] AFTER: [img]http://carmelitedcj.org/life/at_prayer.jpg[/img][/quote] very interesting! i talked to a nun regarding that. Before they use wool in their habits but now they use synthetic fabric. Synthetic is cheaper than wool. Their founder chose wool before because it was the cheaper. I think now it's one of the most expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisLove726 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 [quote name='tnavarro61' post='1950210' date='Aug 15 2009, 11:38 PM']very interesting! i talked to a nun regarding that. Before they use wool in their habits but now they use synthetic fabric. Synthetic is cheaper than wool. Their founder chose wool before because it was the cheaper. I think now it's one of the most expensive.[/quote] Yes, that's exactly what Sr. Annunciata of the Northern Province here in the USA told me when I asked her if her habit was a wool blend. She told me that wool these days was very expensive. I wished I had asked her if they wear a small brown, wool scapular under their habit. You know, like these: [img]http://rosaries.com/scapular/img0.jpg[/img] At the time, I didn't even think about it, but I wish I had. One of these days, if I ever get around to visiting some Carmelite nuns, I will ask them and see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 [quote name='InHisLove726' post='1950229' date='Aug 16 2009, 06:59 AM']Yes, that's exactly what Sr. Annunciata of the Northern Province here in the USA told me when I asked her if her habit was a wool blend. She told me that wool these days was very expensive. I wished I had asked her if they wear a small brown, wool scapular under their habit. You know, like these: [img]http://rosaries.com/scapular/img0.jpg[/img] At the time, I didn't even think about it, but I wish I had. One of these days, if I ever get around to visiting some Carmelite nuns, I will ask them and see what they say. [/quote] The "big" scapular counts as a scapular, even though it's technically not wool. By the way, in .nl the DCJs have a wool winter habit, do they have the same in America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisLove726 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1950352' date='Aug 16 2009, 03:47 AM']The "big" scapular counts as a scapular, even though it's technically not wool. By the way, in .nl the DCJs have a wool winter habit, do they have the same in America?[/quote] Unfortunately, I never asked the Sisters. On a side note, have you heard when the postulants at the DCJ Motherhouse will be getting their habits and becoming novices? The postulants in America have already received theirs. I wonder if it will be next month or October? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniteAdoremus Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 [quote name='InHisLove726' post='1950371' date='Aug 16 2009, 01:33 PM']Unfortunately, I never asked the Sisters. On a side note, have you heard when the postulants at the DCJ Motherhouse will be getting their habits and becoming novices? The postulants in America have already received theirs. I wonder if it will be next month or October?[/quote] This is more on topic than it seems, because the DCJs are exactly one of those communities the report speaks about, with a (modified) habit and strong community life We thought that Fieke might be invested in July, but Eunice and Petra haven't been postulants for a year yet. It seems Fieke is waiting for them, so they might all be invested in December, if they choose to do investments on December 8th this year (normally it's always July 2 I believe, but that would be a very long wait for Fieke!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisLove726 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1950415' date='Aug 16 2009, 10:47 AM']This is more on topic than it seems, because the DCJs are exactly one of those communities the report speaks about, with a (modified) habit and strong community life We thought that Fieke might be invested in July, but Eunice and Petra haven't been postulants for a year yet. It seems Fieke is waiting for them, so they might all be invested in December, if they choose to do investments on December 8th this year (normally it's always July 2 I believe, but that would be a very long wait for Fieke!)[/quote] I got a response from Eunice today on Facebook, and she said that they are expecting to be invested on December 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laetitia crucis Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 [quote name='tnavarro61' post='1950210' date='Aug 16 2009, 12:38 AM']very interesting! i talked to a nun regarding that. Before they use wool in their habits but now they use synthetic fabric. Synthetic is cheaper than wool. Their founder chose wool before because it was the cheaper. I think now it's one of the most expensive.[/quote] The [url="http://marymediatrix.com"]Franciscans of the Immaculate[/url] use wool (or a wool-blend) fabric for the habits (minus the veil of the sisters which is a cheap synthetic material) -- all fabric is donated to them. Hmm... .. does anyone know if it's "tradition" that Franciscans wear wool habits? -- A few years ago I had asked one of the CFR sisters about their habits, and they had said they chose the grey as it best resembled the unbleached wool of St. Francis' habit. To say the least, I am amazed that some don't seem to break a sweat in the hot summer months! Perhaps this is an added grace of being in the Order of Penitents. Although in some parts of the world (like Benin and Nigeria), they have a lighter material (synthetic, I believe). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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