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  1. profer_lumen_cæcis

    Application?

    Blessed and joy-filled new year to you all! So, by the grace of God I have recently discerned that He is calling me to our local Carmelite monastery, which is very traditional (they even get to hear the TLM!), and after speaking with the Rev. Mother I have been invited to apply to the order. Has anyone here ever filled out an application? If so, would you mind letting me know what the application was like in your experience? Thank you, and may God bless you all! ~Gertrude
    6 points
  2. Anastasia

    More Carmelite Monasteries closing

    Carmel is about a soul in the desert before God. There is nothing else there. The charism is an infused contemplation and the ultimate goal is union with God. It is the most "naked" spirituality that literally leaves nothing but a soul and God. What are the "modern rules and practices" that would help that goal? And who are "we"?
    5 points
  3. andibc

    Discerning but afraid of unhealthy orders

    Devils pulling your strings. I know the Sisters of Life very well. Mother Agnes grew up about ten miles from me and her family and ours attended the same little rural church (her parents have passed.) I remember her mother telling me about this new order that the bishop was starting. We got insider updates of how it was going. I never heard anything bad. Her mother was a saint and taught me how to raise my children to be good Catholics. Mother Agnes and some of the sisters would come back for a visit from time to time, give us some news and chat. My little girls would sneak up to the fron
    5 points
  4. beatitude

    major problem in discerning...

    Phatmass is loyal to the Magisterium and our phorum guidelines set a higher standard than simply not calling the Holy Father the antichrist. As a canon lawyer, Sponsa-Christi has given an excellent answer to the OP's question. I am closing this thread here.
    4 points
  5. JHFamily

    Vocation to Religious Life with Ignatian Spirituality and the TLM

    Some day, I am confident God will bring all orders back to the TLM. I'm not saying all communities will be TLM, but rather that all orders will be represented, will have at least one TLM community. I have been having a conversation with a Poor Clare Prioress over the course of the last couple of years about their founding a TLM community from volunteers from the various Collettine communities. The answer was a strong "no", but she planted the seed so deeply, spoke to so many sisters about it (both in her community and others), that I am sure it will take root in God's perfect timing.
    4 points
  6. Aloysius

    Minority attempt to subvert and command

    The problem with what is happening is that everyone's conflating a lot of different groups that were present at the capitol. There was a legitimate protest with legitimate protest permits. you may think they are wrong about the thing they are protesting, but they had the right to assemble peaceably about it, as most of them went there to do. Then you have the speakers at that protest, most notably Trump. IMO Trump's speech at that protest engaged in basically all the tropes any speech / protest in Washington usually engages in, but because of the things that subsequently happened
    4 points
  7. dUSt

    Inter-racial or inter-ethnic marriage question

    It does impact my parenting because I'm a white man with the responsibility of being a father to black children, and all that entails: racism, culture, history, safety, etc. I've been forced to think about things that weren't even an afterthought in my childhood, from how to act around cops, to why Jesus is depicted as white in almost every popular piece of art.
    4 points
  8. JHFamily

    University and the Convent...

    At this age, if she discerns out, she'll probably start college. When my daughter entered Carmel out of high school, we made sure that she had all her ducks in a row, so to speak, so she could begin college shortly after arriving home. But that didn't happen, and I would say she's the happiest 20 year old woman in the world right now!
    4 points
  9. JHFamily

    University and the Convent...

    I may have a unique perspective on this. I have a daughter that entered Carmel right out of high school. She, too, knew she was meant for Carmel at a young age, and many of the sisters are the same way. She loves her life there, and she made her First Profession last week on the Feast of the Epiphany. I think it would have been unfair of me to demand that she attend college, even though I did insist that she take the ACT "just in case" she didn't stay (though I highly doubted she would return home). In my opinion, it would have been downright cruel to ask her to wait. However, in the ne
    4 points
  10. JHFamily

    How Often To Contact a Vocation Director?

    If you are truly interested in entering, I think 3-4 times a year until you get closer to that time when you can actually make plans to visit. Perhaps, each time you have a "life event", if you will. "I just finished my Spring semester, and I did really well. One more year to go! ... looking forward to that time when I'll have an opportunity to visit."
    4 points
  11. JHFamily

    Application?

    My daughter belongs to a JMJ Carmel, and by the time Mother will speak about an application, she senses a definite vocation to Carmel in the young lady and understands the young lady senses it about herself. Their application process is fairly simple; she had everything complete within the month. It exists to make sure there are not any impediments to your entering. The news she had been accepted, on the other hand, took two months to arrive, so you may have to practice a little patience!
    4 points
  12. sr.christinaosf

    Discerning but afraid of unhealthy orders

    It's unfortunate that there are assumptions out there that "all communities are bad." I hope you have a spiritual director, pastor or other wise and trusted person to help guide you.
    4 points
  13. Bonkira

    University and the Convent...

    Why do you need to apply now? How many visits and retreats have you done with the community besides your visit, and what other discernment work have you done so far? I entered quite young into a traditional order, with very little life experience or development of myself, and it is one of my biggest regrets to date. I felt the internal burn quite a bit and had for awhile, but I had no one to encourage me to explore if that was a vocation making itself known or if it was simply a pink cloud of ideals and excitement (which is powerful and good, but not a vocation). A desire does not transla
    3 points
  14. Lilllabettt

    Both Contemplative and Intellectual

    Point is, the Franciscan charism is not known for an emphasis on study. I'm not referring to the apostolate, here. The Franciscan charism emphasizes spiritual and material poverty and a kind of simplicity vis a vis the Gospel. There are Franciscan bishops with a lot of power, there are highly educated Franciscans engaged in erudite apostolates, but this is in certain ways in tension with *not contradictory to, but in tension with* the Franciscan charism. Dominicans on the other hand see learning the truth as a primary means of achieving sanctity. Study is at the chore of their charism.
    3 points
  15. underatree

    University and the Convent...

    College is definitely not for everyone, you’re right. Trade schools and/or apprenticeships can be great for many people. When I was in religious life, I remember the superior wishing for a few more plumbers and electricians as postulants! Even in a cloistered community, previous degrees and job training can be of great benefit to a community — think about nursing (every community could use nurses), accounting (many communities have to pay someone from outside to do their bookkeeping), mechanical engineering (especially in old houses things break all the time), horticulture (many congregat
    3 points
  16. Nunsuch

    More Carmelite Monasteries closing

    There is a variety of expressions of Carmelite contemplative life. Some are more updated (see, for example, the original Baltimore Carmel). Some are more traditional. The same is true for Poor Clares, Visitandines, etc. So it's not simply a question of "updating" or not. I think it is good that there are various expressions of these spiritualities.
    3 points
  17. PaxCordisJesu

    More Carmelite Monasteries closing

    What do you mean by "updates"? While new orders and rules are certainly a blessing to the Church (and it seems that there are more than a few coming into being in recent years) it's important to remember that even the oldest orders contribute greatly to the Church, and also to the new orders starting up. Where would we be without the prayers of contemplative Benedictines and Carmelites, to name two well-known orders? And if you mean they're not "up-to-date" because of their lifestyle, well, of course contemplative Carmelite nuns, even today, are going to be living an entirely different way of
    3 points
  18. SicutColumba

    University and the Convent...

    A lot of commenters are saying that they wouldn’t be comfortable with having their seventeen-year-old daughter get married, and I agree that for the very large majority of people seventeen is way too young to marry someone. It’s also overwhelmingly rare to be ready to enter a convent at that age too. At the same time the religious vocation is not at all the married one and the formation is far more intense. A seventeen-year-old girl who decides to be married has several months of guidance under a priest before she’s locked in for life, and it’s probable that she was head over heels in love whe
    3 points
  19. Harmony

    University and the Convent...

    If your parents are paying for your college in full, then going is one thing. If they expect you to finance it, I'd look at going to a two year community college for an associate's degree and/or university transfer program as you probably can find grants/scholarships to cover the cost and won't accrue debt and worst case if you have to borrow it'd probably be a few thousand that could be paid off with a few months work or maybe selling your possessions. Do NOT go into debt just to please your parents if you feel you have a religious vocation.
    3 points
  20. benedictaaugustine

    Discerning but afraid of unhealthy orders

    Hey all - this is my first time posting, after having lurked a while. I went back and forth between wondering whether to post this discussion or not, but I think it’s the right choice. I’m currently seriously discerning religious life, and have gone on come and sees/talked with vocations directresses etc. I feel very drawn toward the Sisters of Life, and constantly feel drawn towards them, and am intending, God willing, to pursue a vocation with them. I won’t go into detail about my discernment or anything, but here’s the thing I’ve been musing on the past couple weeks: I hear a lot about
    3 points
  21. Lea

    University and the Convent...

    Hey there, as someone who only thought about religious life forthe first time as a sophomore in college, I just can say that living on my own made a huge difference. It is a great opportunity to mature, to live responsibly and certainly changes the relationship to ones family. [Actually, it made my mother see me as the adult I am.] This might be a chance for you, but if all you can think about in class is how you wish you weren't there, but in the monastery, classes aren't particularly fruitful God bless!
    3 points
  22. Sponsa-Christi

    University and the Convent...

    Provided that you wouldn't be accumulating any student loan debt--i.e., if it's the case that your parents would be sending you to college and paying for you to go--I would go ahead and earn a four-year degree. Waiting until after you finish college to enter a community you're in touch with is very, very normal. I would think the vast majority of vocation directors would be happy to stay actively in touch with you during your college years, while you prepare to enter right after graduation. At your age, I wouldn't look at it as "putting off your vocation." I would see it as more lik
    3 points
  23. SicutColumba

    Application?

    I can understand the confusion but it sounds like she was invited to apply, which I'm pretty sure is normal and standard and what happened to me. She probably spoke about her desire to enter with the prioress, who likely helped her discern and finally invited her to apply when they both came to a mutual agreement on the entry. She is free to turn down the offer or ask to postpone her application. At least, this is what's happening in my case so I'm sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth, @profer_lumen_cæcis ! Congratulations! I assure you of my prayers and hope you'll spare me a couple, too!
    3 points
  24. profer_lumen_cæcis

    Application?

    Thank you both so much for your replies! I feel less nervous now, as the details you mentioned I've already discussed with her Rev. Mother (who was the one who asked me to apply), so now it will just be up to the Council, I suppose! If you wouldn't mind, I would very much appreciate a prayer or two during this time Thank you, both, again, and please know that you are in my prayers! Blessed Epiphany season and a joyous new year to you both! ~Gertrude
    3 points
  25. BarbaraTherese

    PRAYER REQUEST

    A prayer for a special intention would be much appreciated. It's not for me but for someone I know, who has a big problem, causing much stress. Thanks heaps! Our Lady of Perpetual Help, pray for us St Joseph, patron of The Church, pray for us Sacred Heart of Jesus, have Mercy on us
    3 points
  26. BarbaraTherese

    Minority attempt to subvert and command

    With respect, it might be a matter of perspective, but I do not regard current events in America as a non-story. To me, it is an unprecedented attack on the democratic process and an unfolding situation. History will mark it. I very much doubt that unfolding situation will come to a conclusion on 20th January 2021, while nothing is beyond prayer and Hope.
    3 points
  27. underatree

    Discerning but afraid of unhealthy orders

    Three months probably makes more sense for most people! My particular industry/area is pretty technical but very specialized and high demand, and I would not anticipate being out of work for long. If I didn’t have significant specialist work experience and industry certifications (and several standing job offers) in this field, I would certainly have a lot more concerns about time without paid work. Again, though, people have different levels of risk tolerance! Possibly because I’m approaching midlife I’m starting to become more conscious of financial risk, whereas someone who is 18 or 20
    3 points
  28. underatree

    Discerning but afraid of unhealthy orders

    Also make sure you have enough money set aside that if you felt you needed to leave, you could do so without financial hardship. “My family supports me” is not enough, things can happen and you need to be able to support yourself if you leave. I’m currently discerning with a congregation and it’s important to me that, prior to entrance, I have enough money saved for a down payment on a used car, a month’s rent plus deposit on an apartment, and about a month’s worth of living expenses. It depends somewhat on where and how a particular person lives, of course — what I’m doing might be overkill f
    3 points
  29. chrysostom

    Is Community Rebounding a Thing?

    Great thoughts. Despite knowing all the "right things" about discernment I recently fell into the trap of making a decision based on the subjective conviction that I was supposed to take one path over another, based on a kind of fatalistic interpretation of my circumstances and fleeting emotions. I did not recognise the fatalism for what it was until - ha! - some providential circumstances opened my eyes and allowed me to retrace my steps. It also took advice from a priest who has been through the dark night. He said bluntly that sometimes there are no answers. (About discernment question
    3 points
  30. Hna.Caridad

    15 Signs Of Trouble

    Bumping for @BenedictaAugustine because this is a priceless thread. Red flags are glaringly obvious for those who've learned to see and recognize them. They tend to be invisible to those who've been raised to think that every color is blue or that everything waving in the air is a pinwheel. It's critical that anyone discerning Religious Life or marriage develop the ability to recognize red flags BEFORE they decide to enter into a relationship with a person or with a community. Regarding recognizing red flags in congregations, this thread is a good place to start.
    3 points
  31. Nunsuch

    Discerning but afraid of unhealthy orders

    Welcome to the Phorum. I have no inside knowledge about the Sisters of Life--but have not heard anything problematic about their community culture. So what I say here would be true of ANY community. When one enters a community, the formation period lasts for a minimum of 5 years, and sometimes up to a dozen. This is a time of *mutual* discernment and discovery--whether the candidate believes she is called to that community (much less to religious life), and whether the community thinks she is called to them. You have plenty of time to live the life before making even a temporary commitme
    3 points
  32. Chiquitunga

    Kneeling at the Sanctus, etc at 1970 Mass

    This is something I’ve wondered for a while... First I prefer the 1962 Mass, etc, and one of the things I love is all the kneeling, like from the very start (even though I have bad knees lol). I go to the new Mass too though, and am not one to be extremely critical of it, at least not vocally. I am going to Calvary, and I am thankful to the priest offering Mass.. he made the sacrifice of his life to God, and I can be present there and receive the Holy Eucharist. Anyway but this is not the topic I meant to bring up. At the new Mass/Ordinary Form, etc there are always people that kneel
    2 points
  33. Sponsa-Christi

    major problem in discerning...

    With all due respect, this is a pretty bold statement. I'm not always a fan of Pope Francis' personal style; his pastoral priorities aren't always the same as what I think my priorities would be if I were Pope; and I personally might disagree with the practicality of some of his purely prudential decisions. Still, I would never assume that Pope Francis is literally, deliberately more concerned with "appearing nice" than he is with being faithful to the Gospel. And besides the filial respect and reverence all Catholic owe the Holy Father, as I keep saying, Pope Francis' own words in conte
    2 points
  34. GraceUk

    major problem in discerning...

    If this is worrying you and it obviously is then do you know any priests you could discuss this with. Or religious sister. I really liked Pope John Paul II. I didn't mind Pope Benedict and Pope Francis I thought would do great things but he hasn't done much. But what I think doesn't matter at all. Pope Francis is the elected Pope and that's it. Whether I like him think somebody else should be pope, think he isn't the real pope. You just have to tell yourself it is what it is. I did see something online once about the legality of whether Pope Benedict could retire and Francis take
    2 points
  35. Sponsa-Christi

    major problem in discerning...

    With respect to +Francis supposedly not being the "good" Pope, are your concerns mostly based on him being allegedly unorthodox? Because whether or not you like his personal style or think that all his practical decisions are prudent, if you read what he actually says in context, he doesn't really say anything questionable from a doctrinal perspective. Sometimes, his writings and homilies actually come across as more traditional than Benedict! (E.g., like when he focuses on the reality of the devil or when he strongly emphasizes the value of the traditional family.) Perhaps, if you haven'
    2 points
  36. Dogmas are listed. http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/2015/09/19/a-list-of-the-dogmas-of-the-catholic-church/
    2 points
  37. PaxCordisJesu

    University and the Convent...

    I really shouldn't be up this late... but since I am I thought I'd post this. Great story, and she explains really well her decision to enter so young. https://www.homeofthemother.org/en/about-us/servant-sisters/testimonies/2047-sr-kristen "I knew that God did not want me to wait. If He had told me my vocation now, at fifteen, it was because He wanted me to enter now and not wait." - Sr. Kristen
    2 points
  38. Peace

    Minority attempt to subvert and command

    You honestly don't think that certain members of the mob did not have an earnest intention to change the result of the vote? That seems to be a bit unreasonable, given that Trump has been attempting to overturn the result of the vote for the past month, and that his general indications to the crowd were to protest in order achieve this result. I mean, if "WWE fun and fantasy" were the only goal here, that could have been accomplished anywhere. In the streets of DC. On the White House Lawn. In front of the capital. There is no need to violently storm your way into the building, start
    2 points
  39. Yaatee

    New Habits for Bridgeport Dominicans

    Chrys, I am sure that you've had your thyroid tested many times! Poor Ste. Thérèse lived in !9th c. France with a strong Jansenist orientation forwards suffering and bodily harshness. I don't think that her monastery was heated, and that the nuns could have only one blanket. I recall that Ste. T had a little portable heater or chauvette that she required but made fun of. Suffering was admired and required. Her mother superior thought it disgraceful that any Carmelite should require morphine. Ste. T received only a little sirop de morphine in her last days. The life of Ste. T has been e
    2 points
  40. SicutColumba

    University and the Convent...

    I certainly don’t want to give any bad or misleading advice but I have always understood that parents do not have the right to keep an adult child from pursuing a vocation. Whether your age and maturity level at this moment qualify you as an adult is something I couldn’t answer, but in the end your vocation is not in your parents’ hands. If you are truly called to Carmel right out of high school then I would definitely continue speaking with your parents, spiritual director, and community about this. I am in a somewhat similar situation. I wanted to enter straight out of school but I took a
    2 points
  41. PaxCordisJesu

    University and the Convent...

    @profer_lumen_cæcisI'm going through a similar situation right now too! I can't add anything to what's already been said, except to trust that God will get you where He wants you to be, in His way and in His time. If He wants you to enter religious life out of high school, it will happen! And if not, then He has some reason for wanting you to go to college first. Praying for you!
    2 points
  42. SicutColumba

    Application?

    Yes, patience! A virtue so necessary to discernment and sometimes so difficult to practice when you're so ready to give everything to Jesus! Lætata sum in his quæ dicta sunt mihi in domum Domini ibimus. I'm so happy for you, @profer_lumen_cæcis, and I am praying for you! Good luck on your application.
    2 points
  43. Anastasia13

    Praper request - lost item

    Oh my gosh, I forgot I posted this. Yes, I think I did find it. Thank you so much for the prayers.
    2 points
  44. MIKolbe

    Minority attempt to subvert and command

    no. but she's dead, so I guess we should pray for her.
    2 points
  45. profer_lumen_cæcis

    Application?

    @SicutColumba Thank you--you worded this perfectly! Thank you also for the prayers--they are greatly appreciated! Please know that you will be in mine, as well
    2 points
  46. Anastasia

    Brown Scapular Question

    Generally speaking not. However, there have been some precedents of Russian Eastern Orthodox being allowed into various Third Orders. One of such examples is Russian translator Natalia Trauberg (she is well known for her translations of Chesterton and Lewis). She was brought up in the Soviet Union by her nanny as an Eastern Orthodox (that made her life quite difficult). Then she married a nominal Catholic and moved to Lithuania. Her Eastern Orthodox confessor gave her his blessing to worship with Catholics and receive spiritual advice from the Roman Catholic priests (at that time Russian Ortho
    2 points
  47. Anomaly

    Minority attempt to subvert and command

    With all due respect, you’re a little old lady, a hemisphere away, getting her news through a biased media. The violence is not acceptable, but at the root of the discontent is how different sides of legitimate complaints and issues are either vilified or championed solely for dramatic effect in order to garner viewers for revenue. Politics take advantage of that as well. Trump is not an evil genius, nor are all his supporters rabid rednecks. Biden and Pelosi are not evil geniuses, nor are their supporters rabid communists. But portrayal of either side as evil and rabi
    2 points
  48. Anastasia

    Is Community Rebounding a Thing?

    Oh, this is so good! Very helpful.
    2 points
  49. little2add

    Covid Vaccination

    Being part of the solution.
    2 points
  50. Aloysius

    Covid Vaccination

    If you are standing at the beginning of a bridge and you decide you are unsure if you trust the safety of it's construction, all you can do is share with others your own concern but ultimately let them make their own decisions. if you therefore say I will wait and see what happens when others cross this bridge to know whether it's going to collapse, as you are worried it might, there is absolutely nothing wrong or unethical about that--unless you're trying to trick others or coerce others into crossing that bridge. now there are other complex questions about this bridge-as-vaccine analo
    2 points

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