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Ancilla Domini

What commotion? What protest? 

 

By "commotion" I was referring to Pope Francis' ban on the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, which, obviously, had a big impact on the FSI.

 

By "protest" I was referring to a letter that the sisters sent out as a response to some accusations made against them by Fr. Volpi.

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Kayte Postle

What commotion? What protest? 

 

Within the Friars of the Franciscans of the Immaculate there have been some internal issues, and some from the order eventually asked for intervention from the Holy See. You can read here, here, and here for more about the whole thing. One of the actions taken was the restriction of the celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass within the order. The sisters have issued a letter in response to the situation.

 

edit: domini beat me to it...

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Ancilla Domini

edit: domini beat me to it...

 

I beat you to it, but considering the unfortunately obscure way in which I explained it, your post was much needed. :hehe2: Thank you! :D
 

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The only one I know of in the US that has it on a regular basis is Minooka, once a month ~ http://poorclaresjoliet.org/

 

I know at least one monastery of the Poor Clares of the Immaculate in Italy would like it have it exclusively, and use the old breviary, but they only have it from time to time at present. Also, as long as I mention them, to make it clear, they are not officially part of the Religious Institute of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, as the Friars and Sisters are, although they share their spirituality. But they are in the Order of St. Clare and each of their monasteries are sui iuris (ie, autonmous, independent even of each other) as the 1990s Carmels are and answer directly to the Holy See.

 

Really quick, I meant to edit this and ran out of time and had to go. Actually all cloistered contemplative monasteries are independent and autonomous like this, as described in Verbi Sponsa (search "autonomy" and you'll find the paragraphs on this) But what I meant there about the Poor Clares of the Immaculate and the 1990 Carmels having this in common is that they do not answer/are not under the jurisdiction of the Superior General of the Order/Religious Institute. They answer directly to the Holy See and local bishop in all things.

 

As for other Poor Clare communities, this is making me think, but I am not sure if they are under the jurisdiction of any Franciscan Superior General either... :think: I just know the Discalced Carmelite Nuns always were and are under the 1991s, as are the Carmelite Nuns of the Ancient Observance and other Orders with Nuns like the Dominicans. But again, not sure on the Poor Clares...

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a couple old threads I was just reading through, might as well post here :like: http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/128219-any-poor-clares-with-the-traditional-latin-mass/#.UsZgqxxOG3M  &  http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/123687-which-communities-celebrate-the-ef-at-all/#.UsZVkBxOG3M  There have been many other older threads with lists like this too.

 

Does anyone know how the Lockport Dominicans are doing? This site http://www.religiousministries.com/ which I believe updates its number every year in the Fall (I asked them once) has them listed as 5 Professed Nuns, 1 First Professed, 1 Novice & 1 Postulant. Could that be true?

 

Also, since you had mentioned a community (not in union with the Church though) in New Zealand, there are plenty of other communities throughout the world with the Traditional Latin Mass. Here's our thread on the Religious Victims of the Sacred Heart, http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/81559-victim-nuns-of-the-sacred-heart/#.UsZiYxxOG3M  Also the Carmel in Alencon, birthplace of St. Therese, recently began having it daily (previously it was a few times a week). There are many others I believe. Le Barroux is a big one, http://www.barroux.org/

 

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An Historian

Just FYI, I think the Dominican Sisters of Wanganui are with the SSPX, and are therefore not in communion with Rome.

 

I am by no means a fan of the SSPX and I categorically would never encourage anyone to discern a vocation with them until such a time as they and their affiliates are regularised.  But to state that they are not in communion with Rome is a slanderous and false accusation.

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Sr Mary Catharine OP

I am by no means a fan of the SSPX and I categorically would never encourage anyone to discern a vocation with them until such a time as they and their affiliates are regularised.  But to state that they are not in communion with Rome is a slanderous and false accusation.

 

Actually, the SSPX are not in communion with Rome according to Cardinal Muller, prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith:

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20046

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Statements from Rome about the exact nature of the SSPX's irregular canonical situation have been mixed over the years... the exact nature of their lack of full communion with Rome is debated by many... ranging from saying it's actual formal schism, to saying it's just schismatic-leaning, etc (as was just pointed out, Cardinal Muller has just taken a harder lined stance than the kinds of statements that were coming out of Rome when there was a higher optimism that an agreement would be reached soon, this was his answer in an interview though so it gets thrown into the mix of all the statements from Rome that say back and forth whether it's actually accurate to call it a "schism").  Anyway, suffice it to say:

 

#1 there is no debating allowed in Vocation Station, so this issue is not to be settled here.

#2 the only communities allowed to be promoted here are those which are officially canonically recognized by their dioceses, so any community affiliated with the SSPX cannot be promoted here.

 

Thanks for your cooperation.

 

-Your Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman Regulator

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The Carmelites in Littleton Colorado (this one is in communion) have a Latin Mass once a week (Monday currently) offered by the FSSP.

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Here is another new Traditional Carmelite community of Nuns in Rep of Ireland. link removed as this community is not in full communion with Rome - beatitude

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There are two monasteries "sui jure" of pontifical right approved by Pope Benedict in Spain, the Oasis de Jesus Sacerdote -Oasis of Jesus the Priest, in Barcelona http://oasis-dejesussacerdote.blogspot.ca/  and in Cordoba (new foundation 3 years ago http://parroquiaespiel.blogspot.ca/2016/01/monasterio-de-san-jose-del-oasis-de.html ).

The new community in Cordoba are building-expanding their new monastery and there is a video where the bishop of the Diocese supports them in their fundraising: http://tekton.info/oasis-de-jesucristo-sacerdote-en-espiel-necesita-tu-ayuda 

They are cloistered contemplatives dedicated to prayer for priests an consecrated people and for vocations. They are totally dedicated specifically to the TRADITIONAL LITURGY. 

This year, 2016 have celebrated their 50th anniversary of foundation with a Mass presided over by a Vatican representative who brought them the official confirmation of their Constitutions after the "ad experimentum" period. There is a little video of the event 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBAFWhhpIe0

Recently they have started also the men's community.

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On ‎20‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 10:54 AM, monabyrne said:

Here is another new Traditional Carmelite community of Nuns in Rep of Ireland. link removed - beatitude

Okay, I may be wrong, but I think they're associated with the movement of Mgr Williamson, the bishop who broke with the SSPX. This movement announced recently that they had a community of carmelite-ermite nuns in Ireland, with Sr Irene GIbson (ex-Irish ermit) as member. And I can't find these nuns in the diocese website. 

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1 hour ago, NadaTeTurbe said:

Okay, I may be wrong, but I think they're associated with the movement of Mgr Williamson, the bishop who broke with the SSPX. This movement announced recently that they had a community of carmelite-ermite nuns in Ireland, with Sr Irene GIbson (ex-Irish ermit) as member. And I can't find these nuns in the diocese website. 

Irene Gibson left the diocese in which she was a hermit in order to attend Mass exclusively with the SSPX. I don't know if she's drifted into sedevacantist splinter groups, but Phatmass does not promote even SSPX communities as they have no diocesan recognition, as Aloysius said above. I've removed the link.

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