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isn't it odd that

Humans seem to be the only animal whose females have breasts that permanently have a "full" appearance, ie a prominent amount of tissue even when not lactating, whereas other species' breasts seem to almost totally "deflate" when not longer lactating.

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Just now, fides' Jack said:

And this attitude is also an indication that you're more a woman than a man.  Men are just naturally more prone to sexualizing and fetishizing - even to themselves (see my reply to Jaime).  

And that's not bad.

I dislike them on me because men physically do not have breasts. My identity and my body do not match up, which is gender dysphoria.

And I would respectfully disagree---crushing someone's natural God-given talent because it's not what a gender typically does is pretty crummy

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3 minutes ago, little2add said:

isn't it odd that

Humans seem to be the only animal whose females have breasts that permanently have a "full" appearance, ie a prominent amount of tissue even when not lactating, whereas other species' breasts seem to almost totally "deflate" when not longer lactating.

just saying

 

You have to be joking, right?

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1 minute ago, CuriositasEtFidem said:

And I would respectfully disagree---crushing someone's natural God-given talent because it's not what a gender typically does is pretty crummy

You can dance if you want to...

 

Often when someone has a clear, God-given talent, it's an indication that God specifically wants them to humble themselves to not use that talent, so they can grow closer to Him through humility.  It is very often the things that we struggle to be successful in that God is calling us to use to serve Him.

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1 hour ago, fides' Jack said:

The guilt that you experienced probably came from a somewhat-informed conscience.  It sounds like you've closed off your eyes and ears to the truth.  Many theologians consider "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" to be the adamant refusal to repent.  

It's guilt from being a "freak." From being so outside the norm. From having half of my brethren in Church casually talk about how evil and grotesque my trans brethren are. From being the very thing that is preached to be vile and evil. Do you know how much I've prayed for guidance? How long I've spent feeling awful about myself for the way that I am? 

1 minute ago, fides' Jack said:

You can dance if you want to...

 

Often when someone has a clear, God-given talent, it's an indication that God specifically wants them to humble themselves to not use that talent, so they can grow closer to Him through humility.  It is very often the things that we struggle to be successful in that God is calling us to use to serve Him.

I have two left feet lol, I was just using an example. 

I very strongly disagree with your second idea. God would want the person to use their talent to glorify Him.

I'm an artist. A pretty decent one too, if I may say. Does that mean I should stop? Obviously not

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Just now, CuriositasEtFidem said:

It's guilt from being a "freak." From being so outside the norm. From having half of my brethren in Church casually talk about how evil and grotesque my trans brethren are. From being the very thing that is preached to be vile and evil. Do you know how much I've prayed for guidance? How long I've spent feeling awful about myself for the way that I am? 

Seems like I hit a nerve.  Good.

I don't know how long you've spent praying for guidance on this.  But it sounds like you gave up in the end.  You gave in.

True Christians would not say, casually or otherwise, that your trans friends are evil and grotesque.  Getting a surgery is evil and grotesque.  Mutilation is evil and grotesque.  People, at least still-living people, are not.  And I pray that all of them get another chance to experience life the way God intended.

As a Catholic, I must offer that it is God's will that you overcome this and accept your femaleness.  That's the only possible truth regarding God's will in this matter, or the Catholic Church is a false Church.

FYI, there are a whole lot of things about myself that I feel awful about, every single day - I'm a melancholic.  It's what I do.  It's a constant state of life.  Denying reality would only make it 1000 times worse.  Maybe not right away, but eventually, with 100% certainty.

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12 minutes ago, little2add said:

isn't it odd that

Humans seem to be the only animal whose females have breasts that permanently have a "full" appearance, ie a prominent amount of tissue even when not lactating, whereas other species' breasts seem to almost totally "deflate" when not longer lactating.

just saying

 

Not trying to embarass you.

But the non deflating breast thing is only found in porn . Or rather, when you see that, it's silicone breasts.  

Natural breasts definitely "lie down on the job" so to speak. 

Things I never thought I'd explain on phatmass.

 

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8 minutes ago, CuriositasEtFidem said:

I very strongly disagree with your second idea. God would want the person to use their talent to glorify Him.

I'm an artist. A pretty decent one too, if I may say. Does that mean I should stop? Obviously not

I didn't say that's what it means.  I'm just saying that sometimes it gives God more glory in eternity when a person humbly acts against his own natural talents.

Very often throughout history saints who had natural God-given talents to speak publicly brought more people to God by remaining silent.  

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1 minute ago, fides' Jack said:

Seems like I hit a nerve.  Good.

If you pride yourself on upsetting other people, my respect for you has gone down. 

Well now, before this thread devolves into petty insults and hurt feelings, I think I'd rather not interact with you any longer, for the sake of preventing both of us from sinning against charity. Have a good day

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Just now, CuriositasEtFidem said:

If you pride yourself on upsetting other people, my respect for you has gone down. 

Well now, before this thread devolves into petty insults and hurt feelings, I think I'd rather not interact with you any longer, for the sake of preventing both of us from sinning against charity. Have a good day

I wasn't trying to upset you.  But I do think someone needs to get your attention to focus on the truth before you do something you will regret eternally.  That's all I meant (and that is infinitely more important, anyway).

I don't think this thread is devolving into petty insults.  I think there have been misunderstandings.  Personally I would welcome someone hurtling insults at me if I knew their concern was over my soul.

8 minutes ago, Lilllabettt said:

Not trying to embarass you.

But the non deflating breast thing is only found in porn . Or rather, when you see that, it's silicone breasts.  

Natural breasts definitely "lie down on the job" so to speak. 

Things I never thought I'd explain on phatmass.

 

This is ridiculous.  This idea was not an original idea of little2add.  There is a significant difference regarding this between human breasts and animals'.  The reaction might be similar, but it's not the same.

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7 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

I'm just saying that sometimes it gives God more glory in eternity when a person humbly acts against his own natural talents.

Very often throughout history saints who had natural God-given talents to speak publicly brought more people to God by remaining silent.  

You seem to have a talent for eloquently expressing your views on the ‘truths’ of The Faith, Natural Law, End-times Prophesy, and matters of health in a public forum. Have you considered you may be called to grow closer to God, in humility, by laying aside this talent and remaining silent in order to bring more people to God and give Him glory?

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1 minute ago, ReasonableFaith said:

You seem to have a talent for eloquently expressing your views on the ‘truths’ of The Faith, Natural Law, End-times Prophesy, and matters of health in a public forum. Have you considered you may be called to grow closer to God, in humility, by laying aside this talent and remaining silent in order to bring more people to God and give Him glory?

While I disagree with your first statement, I have thought about this quite a lot, actually.  I definitely believe that I'm called to stop arguing on the internet.  But I'm not perfect, either, and sometimes the temptation is just SO strong...

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I'm convinced this cartoon is about me.  I've put on a little weight since this was drawn, though...  Back then it was pretty close to the truth.  :-)

But yes, truth might better be served if I just shut my mouth.  After all, I don't seem to have convinced anyone...

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4 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

After all, I don't seem to have convinced anyone...

Study rhetoric.  That's the art of persuasion. Very ancient and manly topic. 

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8 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

But I'm not perfect, either, and sometimes the temptation is just SO strong...

Install site blockers. Have someone else manage the passwords. It works for a host of internet compulsions. 

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1 hour ago, Lilllabettt said:

Not trying to embarass you.

But the non deflating breast thing is only found in porn . Or rather, when you see that, it's silicone breasts.  

Natural breasts definitely "lie down on the job" so to speak. 

Things I never thought I'd explain on phatmass.

 

Church doctrine is clear on this matter

54 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

But yes, truth might better be served if I just shut my mouth.  After all, I don't seem to have convinced anyone...

You haven’t convinced me that all men secretly wish they had breasts.

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