BarbTherese Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 6 hours ago, fides' Jack said: I'm curious what makes you think that we owe Ukraine anything? Do you mean, we owe them because we have a debt to them, or do you think it's more about morals - we owe them because it's the right thing to do? The war Russia wages against Ukraine is a proxy war in my book. If Russia wins the war in the Ukraine, it opens up the whole of Europe. The west really must step in then to defend Europe. Then we have WWIII perhaps for sure. I think we have a debt to help Ukraine, because it is a proxy war. It is the moral thing to do. It is Russia that is provoking a situation that could unfold into WWIII. I should, however, I think state "Putin" rather than "Russia" and in all instances. 6 hours ago, fides' Jack said: Wow, that's a strong statement. If that happened it would be, effectively, WWIII. It is a terrible statement, I agree. It may even be a morally evil one if one goes by what the CCC states. But I really do think that we must help the Ukraine, moreso than increased weaponry. I may be very wrong indeed. It is a terrible thing to put boots on the ground and ask men and women to be at mortal risk. I am also very conscious too of countries outside of the west who are nuclear armed. This is only my impoverished opinion, nothing more. Quote A JUST WAR CCC 2309 The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time: - the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain; - all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective; - there must be serious prospects of success; - the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition. These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine. The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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