Lounge Daddy Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Apr 21 2005, 01:52 PM'] I've been ready for this for years now. I'm actually looking forward to it, as bad as that sounds. [/quote] i am with you on that one time to tighten up and draw our swords! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='myduwigd' date='Apr 20 2005, 09:54 PM'] ok, wow I love how no one is listening to me at all. Im not attacking him, IM just saying that he looks scary. Also, this man used to be a Nazi. No, he is not beyond redemption for that fact, but he should never be in a position of spiritual authority. There are some things that a person just simply cannot do and recover from. It would take the rest of one's life to be healed and fight the consequences. also, dont you dare call me Satan ever again. That is something that you dont want to make a mistake about. I really wish that you guys would sit down and pray about what im saying. I dont just go around bashing people and calling them evil all the time. You know that. Its called spiritual correction and love when i do it. No, the HOly Spirit didnt make a mistake, but the cardinals could have. The HOly SPirit cant force you to listen to Him. [/quote] What the Pope looks like is beside the issue. The papacy isn't a beauty contest. Calling him a Nazi is false and is either slanderous or ignorant. As a 14-year-old kid, he was [b]forced against his will[/b] to join the Hitler Youth and was never an active member. He was at 16, [b]drafted against his will [/b] as an army "helper," and managed to escape from the army to become a priest, at risk to himself. Ratzinger was never a willing and active supporter of Nazism. Even the "mainstream" press can admit as much. He no more willingly joined the Hitler Youth or German army than Anne Franke willingly went to the concentration camp. Even the Israeli leader says he beleives Pope Benedict VI to be a friend to the Jews. As a Catholic, you must beleive that the man chosen by the conclave is the man chosen to be Pope. His election was perfectly legitimate. You have absolutely no basis for calling Pope Benedict XVI evil, and should not be surprised when Catholics stand up for this good and just man who is the Pope and Sovereign Pontiff of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Food for thought that came up over lunch today: If someone wants to persist in their belief that the pope is somehow flawed because of his past regardless of what the facts are -- Saint Paul went from being one of the Church's worst documented persecutors to one of her greatest saints. I'd say he was fit for a position of spiritual authority, considering he wrote part of our bible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Apr 21 2005, 02:10 PM'] i am with you on that one time to tighten up and draw our swords! [/quote] True total radical complete faith will transform the world. Other than that we have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholictothecore Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 (edited) Like I've been saying, and I certainly am not the first.... [color=red][b][i]BE NOT AFRAID!!![/color][/b][/i] if you run into difficulty. I'm...in an awkward place in that I am Catholic in a town of protestants, so I am in struggle, but not many people know of me. I can get downhearted about this. Pray for me, and I will pray for you all for the courage of the Spirit. Edited April 21, 2005 by Catholictothecore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 we all need to do a lot of praying in the coming days and weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholictothecore Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I'm just full of song lyrics and other stuff today... "For the Sake of the Call," by Stephan Curtis Chapman "We will abandon it all, for the sake of the call! No other reason at all, but the sake of the call! Fully devoted [b][u][i]to live and to die[/b][/u][/i], for the sake of the call! Nobody stood and appluaded them, so they knew from the start this road would not lead to fame! All the really knew for sure is that Jesus said "Come follow me" and they came! With reckless abandon, they came!" This last verse should be us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimFurst Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 As Catholics we can dislike and disagree with a Pope. We can think for ourselves; we have free will. However we have to follow his teachings. IF you are Catholic, you already understand that the Holy Spirit will not allow the Church to be lead astray. (Catholic teaching 101.) I belong to a parish that is growing. Young people are coming and lapsed Catholics are returning. ( I was one of those.) I think the Church has a great future. As others have pointed out, our checkered pasts are just that. (the past) St Paul and St. Augustine are examples of lives that were transformed. Anyone remember Oscar Schindler? Pope Benedict did not even embrace those ideologies that people are presenting as reasons to dislike him. His innocent past is over; Its who he is today that counts. Lets give him a chance. Some here sound like they will be disappointed if there is NOT a mass exodous from the Church. I firmly believe his Pontificate will not tear the Church appart. This of course is only my opinion and my hope. I've never felt I was that good a Catholic, and I find myself in the unusual position of defending a Pope who has only been in office for a few days. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholictothecore Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 (smiles, as CttC has thought he couldn't imagine loving a pope as much as JPII...respecting, but not loving.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 [quote name='JimFurst' date='Apr 21 2005, 07:43 PM'] As Catholics we can dislike and disagree with a Pope. We can think for ourselves; we have free will. However we have to follow his teachings. IF you are Catholic, you already understand that the Holy Spirit will not allow the Church to be lead astray. (Catholic teaching 101.) I belong to a parish that is growing. Young people are coming and lapsed Catholics are returning. ( I was one of those.) I think the Church has a great future. As others have pointed out, our checkered pasts are just that. (the past) St Paul and St. Augustine are examples of lives that were transformed. Anyone remember Oscar Schindler? Pope Benedict did not even embrace those ideologies that people are presenting as reasons to dislike him. His innocent past is over; Its who he is today that counts. Lets give him a chance. Some here sound like they will be disappointed if there is NOT a mass exodous from the Church. I firmly believe his Pontificate will not tear the Church appart. This of course is only my opinion and my hope. I've never felt I was that good a Catholic, and I find myself in the unusual position of defending a Pope who has only been in office for a few days. Jim [/quote] I like you :tiphat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 [quote name='JimFurst' date='Apr 21 2005, 08:43 PM'] Some here sound like they will be disappointed if there is NOT a mass exodous from the Church. I firmly believe his Pontificate will not tear the Church appart. This of course is only my opinion and my hope. [/quote] I will be terribly disappointed if anyone leaves the faith. I will be more disappointed if the only reason a person didn't leave the faith was a desire to show on the outside what isn't on the inside. The first disappoints me because it means danger to the salvation of the fallen-away souls. The second disappoints me because it scandalizes those who wish to believe into thinking that the faith is about routines and rites alone, and they do not reach their full potential, and are led astray. It also disappoints me because it is not at all honest to pretend to be Catholic while not practicing the faith...and what's worse, to receive the Eucharist in this way. If a person doesn't wish to practice the faith, he shouldn't cling to any part of the faith. It's only honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 agreed, Raphael. Nobody talks about Sacrilege anymore, not in homilies, not in literature, nowhere. How many Catholics go up to receive Our Lord with the gravest of sins on their soul? My position is that Church teaching first needs to be made absolutely clear, the hard sayings said, and then the one's who refuse to assent need to either be asked to leave or leave of their own accord. Anybody want to talk about excommunication, latae sententiae, ipso facto? No...we don't talk about that...but how many are in such a state? I say they could leave and I would revel in the stronger Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Apr 22 2005, 10:30 AM'] Anybody want to talk about excommunication, latae sententiae, ipso facto? No...we don't talk about that...but how many are in such a state? I say they could leave and I would revel in the stronger Church. [/quote] A stronger Church which would then bring in new and vibrant faith. There are some who refuse the invitations to the wedding feast. Therefore, the beggars are invited. There are some who show up to the wedding feast without being prepared in outward show or inward disposition. Therefore, they are cast out. Christ's instruction is clear. It is not as if it does not pain Him, but the branch must be pruned for the sake of a greater harvest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 [quote name='Raphael' date='Apr 22 2005, 10:44 AM'] A stronger Church which would then bring in new and vibrant faith. There are some who refuse the invitations to the wedding feast. Therefore, the beggars are invited. There are some who show up to the wedding feast without being prepared in outward show or inward disposition. Therefore, they are cast out. Christ's instruction is clear. It is not as if it does not pain Him, but the branch must be pruned for the sake of a greater harvest. [/quote] word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 [quote name='JimFurst' date='Apr 21 2005, 09:43 PM'] As Catholics we can dislike and disagree with a Pope. We can think for ourselves; we have free will. However we have to follow his teachings. IF you are Catholic, you already understand that the Holy Spirit will not allow the Church to be lead astray. (Catholic teaching 101.) I belong to a parish that is growing. Young people are coming and lapsed Catholics are returning. ( I was one of those.) I think the Church has a great future. As others have pointed out, our checkered pasts are just that. (the past) St Paul and St. Augustine are examples of lives that were transformed. Anyone remember Oscar Schindler? Pope Benedict did not even embrace those ideologies that people are presenting as reasons to dislike him. His innocent past is over; Its who he is today that counts. Lets give him a chance. Some here sound like they will be disappointed if there is NOT a mass exodous from the Church. I firmly believe his Pontificate will not tear the Church appart. This of course is only my opinion and my hope. I've never felt I was that good a Catholic, and I find myself in the unusual position of defending a Pope who has only been in office for a few days. Jim [/quote] You have been MIA for awhile. Welcome back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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