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Carmelite Nuns In Elysburg, Pa

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='krissylou' date='07 July 2010 - 01:04 PM' timestamp='1278525877' post='2138958']
So is that one of the differences between traditional habits and modified habits? The Carmel near me (Boston/Roxbury) has a sister about to make her final profession next month, and in pictures she's already in a black veil.[/quote]
Of all the Carmels I've known of/visited (in the St. Joseph, St. Teresa & Mary Queen of Carmel associations), the nuns in first vows still kept the white veil like the novices until Solemn Profession. So they must have just decided in Roxbury to take the black veil at temporary profession instead, as most other orders/congregations do. But I've never heard of this as a difference between the traditional and modified habits. I'm quite sure I've seen pictures online from different Carmels with modified habits where they received the black veil at final profession too.

Okay, here's one ... [url="http://www.carmelsandiego.com/slideshow.html"]http://www.carmelsan.../slideshow.html[/url] (profession starts around 2:50) This is really beautiful by the way :love: It's always wonderful to see someone making final vows .. and I LOVE their Spanish monastery! I love Spanish Carmels! (which the new community in Elysburg is) though of course I love the French ones too .. St. Therese :saint: .. okay, I'm rambling .. :D Edited by Chiquitunga

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Graciela
Roxbury is one of the very few CCA Carmels that wear a habit, but San Rafael Carmel has (in the past few years) moved from the Mary Queen of Carmel Association to the Carmelite Communitites Associated and they (San Rafael) wear the full traditional Carmelite Habit (although not wool in summer). I met their new novice and their prioress at the Carmelite Conference in South Bend IN last month. They were lovely!

It is unusual to get the balck veil at first profession in Carmel- the longstanding tradition is to get the profession crucifix at first vows and then the black veil at solemn profession. Before Vatican II, all professions (first voiws and solemn) were made in private among the nuns only. So the public celebration was at a Mass wear the black veil was given (not that anyone could see it happening in the nun's choir, but the bishop would bless it). Also, pre-Vatican II the nuns had communion veils (the second black veil worn at Mass which was folded down over the top half of your face when you when to the communion window to receive the the host). I remember a prioress telling me that once after Mass the priest told her that she had better tell Sister So-and-So not to pull her communion veil so far down or they would have to treat it like a purificator!

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krissylou
[quote name='Graciela' date='08 July 2010 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1278600413' post='2139302']
Roxbury is one of the very few CCA Carmels that wear a habit, but San Rafael Carmel has (in the past few years) moved from the Mary Queen of Carmel Association to the Carmelite Communitites Associated and they (San Rafael) wear the full traditional Carmelite Habit (although not wool in summer). I met their new novice and their prioress at the Carmelite Conference in South Bend IN last month. They were lovely!

It is unusual to get the balck veil at first profession in Carmel- the longstanding tradition is to get the profession crucifix at first vows and then the black veil at solemn profession. Before Vatican II, all professions (first voiws and solemn) were made in private among the nuns only. So the public celebration was at a Mass wear the black veil was given (not that anyone could see it happening in the nun's choir, but the bishop would bless it). Also, pre-Vatican II the nuns had communion veils (the second black veil worn at Mass which was folded down over the top half of your face when you when to the communion window to receive the the host). I remember a prioress telling me that once after Mass the priest told her that she had better tell Sister So-and-So not to pull her communion veil so far down or they would have to treat it like a purificator!
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Hmmm. I may well be misunderstanding what I'm seeing on the Roxbury website. All the pictured sisters are in black veils -- and I had thought that one of those was the one making her profession next month and another was maybe a couple years behind. But maybe they don't picture the sisters in formation.

Now I am all curious about the place. Maybe I will go to their chapel for Mass on Sunday and see what I can see.

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Indwelling Trinity
[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' timestamp='1270095962' post='2084594']
What a lovely story--and it came from a secular newspaper!

I am in awe of the Carmelite's ability to live the lifestyle they do. Personally, I could never get by on 6 hours of sleep a night. If I get less than 8 hours, I find myself getting irritable, and I start losing my ability to think clearly (assuming, of course, that I had that ability in the first place. LOL) However, I have read stories of people who are able to function quite well on only a few hours of sleep, and obviously these nuns have that ability.

The Valpariaso, NE community is growing so fast! Apparently they are getting so many new vocations that several of the nuns sent to the new foundation in PA are still in the novitiate. I could tell this from a site with photos of their enclosure ceremony, (with the pictures of the nuns taken from the back to preserve the nuns' privacy), and several of the nuns were still in the white veil.

It sounds like a very rigorous and dedicated life, but it certainly appears that this is what many young nuns are looking for (not to mention the Latin Mass). I wonder how long it will be before they grow so much that they have to establish yet another new foundation!

It doesn't appear that the Elysburg Carmelites have a Web site, but here is a link to a number of photos from their enclosure ceremony (click on the small pictures to make them regular size). [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/28378419@N03/sets/72157622233735714/"]http://www.flickr.co...57622233735714/ [/url]
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Dont fret Iggy what the artile id not say is that the nuns have a one hour siesta after recreation in the afternoon. They always seem to leave this out for waht i think are melodramatic reasons!

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Chiquitunga
Hey just ran into this searching for those pictures in [i]My Beloved [/i].. a little clip from a clothing ceremony in Elysburg [url="http://gloria.tv/?media=122205"]http://gloria.tv/?media=122205[/url]
[url="http://gloria.tv/?media=122205"]
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truthfinder
[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1295406167' post='2201646']
Hey just ran into this searching for those pictures in [i]My Beloved [/i].. a little clip from a clothing ceremony in Elysburg [url="http://gloria.tv/?media=122205"]http://gloria.tv/?media=122205[/url]
[url="http://gloria.tv/?media=122205"]
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That's an awesome clip.

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IgnatiusofLoyola
[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1295406167' post='2201646']
Hey just ran into this searching for those pictures in [i]My Beloved [/i].. a little clip from a clothing ceremony in Elysburg [url="http://gloria.tv/?media=122205"]http://gloria.tv/?media=122205[/url]
[url="http://gloria.tv/?media=122205"]
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I am showing my ignorance, but I have never seen priests with that tonsure before. Is that the tonsure of male Carmelites?

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reminiscere
That is Fr. Joseph Marie of Jesus, M Carm. He and Fr. Michael are the first ordained priests of the Carmelite Monks in Wyoming.

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' timestamp='1295569276' post='2202376']
I am showing my ignorance, but I have never seen priests with that tonsure before. Is that the tonsure of male Carmelites?
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truthfinder
[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' timestamp='1295569276' post='2202376']
I am showing my ignorance, but I have never seen priests with that tonsure before. Is that the tonsure of male Carmelites?
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Its a very extreme tonsure, no? I think its because they are trying to revive all the traditions and practices that go along with traditional O.Carm monasticism. Anyways, I think its :dance: Edited by truthfinder

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vee
Now that I have their horarium in front of me I can see where their nap time after recreation comes in that Indwelling Trinity mentioned before. Noon -recreation "1pm A visit to the Most Blessed Sacrament and then a time for quiet and solitude in the cell. 2pm The Nuns gather again in the Choir to pray the Hour of None and the Holy Rosary. This is followed by spiritual reading in the cell." 3pm back to work- my words not theirs. It doesnt say how long the visit to the Blessed Sacrament is.

Im wondering what the closest point of public transport to the monastery is? No Im not heading there anytime soon Im just curious. If someone knows but doesnt want to post on the phorum I accept PMs too.

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OnlySunshine
[quote name='vee8' timestamp='1295718880' post='2203062']
Now that I have their horarium in front of me I can see where their nap time after recreation comes in that Indwelling Trinity mentioned before. Noon -recreation "1pm A visit to the Most Blessed Sacrament and then a time for quiet and solitude in the cell. 2pm The Nuns gather again in the Choir to pray the Hour of None and the Holy Rosary. This is followed by spiritual reading in the cell." 3pm back to work- my words not theirs. It doesnt say how long the visit to the Blessed Sacrament is.

Im wondering what the closest point of public transport to the monastery is? No Im not heading there anytime soon Im just curious. If someone knows but doesnt want to post on the phorum I accept PMs too.
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I'm sure if you wanted to visit, Mother Prioress could arrange for the extern nun to pick you up from the airport or train station. :)

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JoyfulLife
[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' timestamp='1270095962' post='2084594']

I am in awe of the Carmelite's ability to live the lifestyle they do. Personally, I could never get by on 6 hours of sleep a night. If I get less than 8 hours, I find myself getting irritable, and I start losing my ability to think clearly (assuming, of course, that I had that ability in the first place. LOL) However, I have read stories of people who are able to function quite well on only a few hours of sleep, and obviously these nuns have that ability.

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Ahh! I know what you mean. I sleep 10 hours as is! I tend to need a lot of sleep.

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vee
[quote name='MaterMisericordiae' timestamp='1295726316' post='2203109']
I'm sure if you wanted to visit, Mother Prioress could arrange for the extern nun to pick you up from the airport or train station. :)
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Thats good to know, thank you! I will make a mental note of the train option too.

[quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1295729523' post='2203118']
Ahh! I know what you mean. I sleep 10 hours as is! I tend to need a lot of sleep.
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My two cents on sleep. I think of all the parents in the world who get six or less hours of sleep and in comparison any horarium doesnt seem that bad. Babies keep parents up, teenagers same thing, even when the children are adults and on their own the parents may have sleepless nights of worry. In a monastery the religious is a spiritual parent so for me the idea of going to bed late and getting up early to care for, through prayer and sacrifice of sleep etc, my spiritual children (poor kids) so as to get them into heaven .... I say sure why not.

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IgnatiusofLoyola
[quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1295729523' post='2203118']
Ahh! I know what you mean. I sleep 10 hours as is! I tend to need a lot of sleep.
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Two things:

--I have a sleep disorder (I went through the sleep test where they put electrodes on your head--not fun). 6 or 7 hours of sleep is out of the question. I need at least 10 hours of sleep, usually more. The good thing is that I am not called to the religious life, so the issue doesn't arise.

--Also, teenage and young women in their early twenties generally need more sleep than males or adults past their twenties. I think it has to do with hormones, but I'm not positive about that. So, it could be that as time goes on, you'll need less sleep. Or maybe not.

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LadyOfSorrows
[quote name='MaterMisericordiae' timestamp='1295726316' post='2203109']
I'm sure if you wanted to visit, Mother Prioress could arrange for the extern nun to pick you up from the airport or train station. :)
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Last time I was at Elysburg, they didn't have an extern, but were praying for one!

There are many friends of the monastery who I'm sure would be able to help you our if Mother talked to them. Elysburg really is out in the sticks. ;)

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OnlySunshine
[quote name='LadyOfSorrows' timestamp='1295762602' post='2203309']
Last time I was at Elysburg, they didn't have an extern, but were praying for one!

There are many friends of the monastery who I'm sure would be able to help you our if Mother talked to them. Elysburg really is out in the sticks. ;)
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Whoops! I was so sure they had an extern. I must have gotten them confused with the Buffalo Carmelites. :blush:

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='TeresaBenedicta' timestamp='1278366199' post='2138081']
There's my friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just ran into this. I think this is Kayla(can't exactly remember her new name .. Sr. Maria Astonia Dodeka.. ? can't find that thread)'s friend :)
[url="http://news.charlottediocese.org/n/component/content/article/1030-cloistered-carmelite-monastery-is-now-home-for-st-michaels-parishioner?start=1"]http://news.charlott...shioner?start=1[/url] :nun2:

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marigold
Congratulations to her! :flex2: Does anyone else find it extra edifying to hear about solemn vows, as well as the excitement of entrances and clothings?

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Chiquitunga
There's this one, [url="http://friendsofcarmeljmj.org/"]http://friendsofcarmeljmj.org/[/url] And by the way, I know a girl who's been writing Mother Stella Marie since she was 12 and Mother would write back to her and all :) She's 14 now and still feels called to them :pray:

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