Chapel Veil Patterns

[zunshynn]

I was thinking about asking my grandmother to make a chapel veil for me, but I don't know where to find patterns to give her to work with... has anyone made one, or know where to find them?

I'm looking for one that is long, and rectangular, almost like a shawl, except still lace.

Thanks! and as a side note, what types/sizes do you prefer, and why?

The only one I have now is triangular, about 18" down the middle and 30" wide. I don't know if it's because my hair is so thick or what, but it seems too small now, like it's going to fall off. The larger, rectangular ones seem to have a more relaxed, secure fit, but I haven't tried one before, that's just based on what they look like to me... is that anyone else's experience, who has tried different kinds?

[dominicansoul]

I like the little small round ones that sit right on top of the head. The reason being, when I wear a veil that is longer, I'm always fussing with it during Mass. I play the organ, and I need to turn pages, get off the bench to kneel during the Consecration, look at my choir director directing, etc. I've pulled and tugged at my longer veils during all the movement and torn quite a few.
[img]http://www.catholiccompany.com/images/product/9002720.jpg[/img]

[CatherineM]

I have one on my sewing table right now that I haven't finished yet. Basically a veil in the shape of a beret. I keep getting side tracked by other projects.

[melporcristo]

JMJT

a pattern would be awesome. I'm more of a fan of the triangle veils that have curved corners ... if that makes sense ...

[zunshynn]

[quote name='melporcristo' date='05 May 2010 - 06:32 PM' timestamp='1273105974' post='2105625']
JMJT

a pattern would be awesome. I'm more of a fan of the triangle veils that have curved corners ... if that makes sense ...
[/quote]

yeah, that's what mine is like. It seems like it couldn't be that difficult. I mean... you just get a large piece of lace and sew an edge on it... maybe it's hard to find a pattern because a pattern just isn't necessary for that. I don't know.

It's just that they're like forty dollars if you buy them online! That seems absurd to me. I can buy a dress or a whole outfit for that or less!

[zunshynn]

[img]http://www.sacramentals.com/Images/RBRWrap.jpg[/img]

this is about the size I'm looking for... 60" x 16", and it's a decent price... $24, but it only comes in black and with that real flowery lace... I wear too much black as it is, if I were to wear a black veil I think I'd always look like I was in mourning.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='05 May 2010 - 07:41 PM' timestamp='1273106466' post='2105632']
yeah, that's what mine is like. It seems like it couldn't be that difficult. I mean... you just get a large piece of lace and sew an edge on it... maybe it's hard to find a pattern because a pattern just isn't necessary for that. I don't know.

It's just that they're like forty dollars if you buy them online! That seems absurd to me. I can buy a dress or a whole outfit for that or less!
[/quote]

Heretical as this may be, I'm just not into lace--clothes, veils, curtains--you name it, it's not "me." So, once again I have an ignorant question--Is there a particular reason that the female headcoverings are lace? Or, is any reasonable headcovering acceptable?

Personally, the only headcovering I like at all is my blue and gold Cal hat--very good for "bad hair days." Even in winter in Chicago, I rarely wear a headcovering (except if it's a "bad hair day" and I wear my Cal hat). Instead, all my winter coats, jackets, etc. have hoods.

Somehow I doubt that my Cal hat would be considered a "reasonable" headcovering in a Catholic church, or any church (I mean "congregation") that I can think of. Or, are the only Catholics that would consider my Cal hat a reasonable headcovering those that don't follow the custom of women covering their heads in church anyway?

Note: I would break my "no lace" rule if I were meeting the Pope in person. But, I wonder, does the Pope ever get sick of seeing women in veils, and would enjoy seeing a woman in ordinary (yet modest) clothes sometime? Wearing a veil for a game of Monopoly with the Pope seems like overdoing it.

Edited May 6, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[marielapin]

The only tutorial I've ever found on making your own veil is here, and sadly it is not the type you want.

http://church-ladies.blogspot.com/2010/01/working-with-lace.html

However, the general technique is still the same, and if I were you this is what I would do: scour ebay and the internet for the specific shape veil you are looking for. When you see the right one, get the dimensions. On ebay, they should either list them or supply them for you.

[marielapin]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='05 May 2010 - 07:46 PM' timestamp='1273106771' post='2105634']
[img]http://www.sacramentals.com/Images/RBRWrap.jpg[/img]

this is about the size I'm looking for... 60" x 16", and it's a decent price... $24, but it only comes in black and with that real flowery lace... I wear too much black as it is, if I were to wear a black veil I think I'd always look like I was in mourning.
[/quote]

For a plain rectangle veil you don't really need a pattern. You can draw your own rectangle to those dimensions and add the outside lace you are looking for. As long as she knows how to work and sew with lace it should be very simple. If she doesn't, print out the tutorial I printed earlier. Good luck!!!

Edited May 6, 2010 by marielapin

[marielapin]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='05 May 2010 - 07:53 PM' timestamp='1273107225' post='2105638']
Heretical as this may be, I'm just not into lace--clothes, veils, curtains--you name it, it's not "me." So, once again I have an ignorant question--Is there a particular reason that the female headcoverings are lace? Or, is any reasonable headcovering acceptable?

Personally, the only headcovering I like at all is my blue and gold Cal hat--very good for "bad hair days." Even in winter in Chicago, I rarely wear a headcovering (except if it's a "bad hair day" and I wear my Cal hat). Instead, all my winter coats, jackets, etc. have hoods.

Somehow I doubt that my Cal hat would be considered a "reasonable" headcovering in a Catholic church, or any church (I mean "congregation") that I can think of. Or, are the only Catholics that would consider my Cal hat a reasonable headcovering those that don't follow the custom of women covering their heads in church anyway?

Note: I would break my "no lace" rule if I were meeting the Pope in person. But, I wonder, does the Pope ever get sick of seeing women in veils, and would enjoy seeing a woman in ordinary (yet modest) clothes sometime? Wearing a veil for a game of Monopoly with the Pope seems like overdoing it.
[/quote]

A headcovering doesn't have to be lace, it can be any type of fabric, a regular scarf, even a hat. If you are looking for gorgeous headcoverings that aren't lace, check out this lady's store. She's an orthodox Jew, and I have been admiring a lot of her headcoverings.

http://www.headcoverings-by-devorah.com/home.html

By the way I'm guessing a Cal hat is a baseball cap?? If that's true it could technically probably count as a headcovering but in general I would think something a little less casual would be more appropriate.

Edited May 6, 2010 by marielapin

[CatherineM]

They have frowned on me wearing a baseball cap in the choir. I wasn't given a specific reason.

I have found the prettiest veil fabric in the stores here where they sell to Indian women for making their wedding gowns.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='05 May 2010 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1273109895' post='2105661']
They have frowned on me wearing a baseball cap in the choir. I wasn't given a specific reason.

I have found the prettiest veil fabric in the stores here where they sell to Indian women for making their wedding gowns.
[/quote]

LOL at the baseball cap in choir! Indian sari fabic can be gorgeous! The part of Chicago with the best Indian restaurants also has a lot of sari stores, and some of them are lovely. I could live with a veil made out of that fabric.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='marielapin' date='05 May 2010 - 08:03 PM' timestamp='1273107811' post='2105646']
A headcovering doesn't have to be lace, it can be any type of fabric, a regular scarf, even a hat. If you are looking for gorgeous headcoverings that aren't lace, check out this lady's store. She's an orthodox Jew, and I have been admiring a lot of her headcoverings.

[url="http://www.headcoverings-by-devorah.com/home.html"]http://www.headcover...h.com/home.html[/url]

By the way I'm guessing a Cal hat is a baseball cap?? If that's true it could technically probably count as a headcovering but in general I would think something a little less casual would be more appropriate.
[/quote]

Thanks for your answer and the Web link. Yes, a Cal hat is a baseball cap from one of my alma maters, the University of California at Berkely. And, I agree, I would feel like it was too casual to wear in church--it would probably be more respectful to go without a headcovering at all than to wear my Cal hat. (Well, except maybe in Berkeley, but they tend to be very liberal there anyway.)

Edited May 6, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[truthfinder]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='05 May 2010 - 07:38 PM' timestamp='1273109895' post='2105661']
They have frowned on me wearing a baseball cap in the choir. I wasn't given a specific reason.

I have found the prettiest veil fabric in the stores here where they sell to Indian women for making their wedding gowns.
[/quote]

At Mass several years ago, there was this person who comes in wearing a large, cowboy hat. The glaring altar serving, moi, was seen by the priest who followed my line of sight. He did a little run down the aisle and came back. It's okay, she's a woman. (This was a priest who did not like traditional ornamentation, but knew better than to mess with a woman in a headcovering, regardless of its type)

Sorry, I don't have a pattern, wish I did though.

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='05 May 2010 - 07:53 PM' timestamp='1273107225' post='2105638']
Heretical as this may be, I'm just not into lace--clothes, veils, curtains--you name it, it's not "me." So, once again I have an ignorant question--Is there a particular reason that the female headcoverings are lace? Or, is any reasonable headcovering acceptable?
[/quote]

i feel the same way. When i first began covering my head, i went to the local Catholic bookstore and purchased a typical triangular, black lace headcovering. That's what they had, and i wore it for two years. I always felt like i was wearing a tablecloth ending or something, though.

Now, i just wear regular fabric scarves - i feel much more comfortable in them, they don't feel like they are going to fall off like the lace one did, and i am covering more of my hair this way. i don't think female headcoverings have to be lace at all, but that's just me.

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='05 May 2010 - 07:53 PM' timestamp='1273107225' post='2105638']
Note: I would break my "no lace" rule if I were meeting the Pope in person. But, I wonder, does the Pope ever get sick of seeing women in veils, and would enjoy seeing a woman in ordinary (yet modest) clothes sometime? Wearing a veil for a game of Monopoly with the Pope seems like overdoing it.
[/quote]

Is there a rule stating women have to wear lace on their heads when meeting the pope?

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='fides quarens intellectum' date='06 May 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1273191549' post='2106056']
Is there a rule stating women have to wear lace on their heads when meeting the pope?
[/quote]

I think it used to be the rule that women were required to wear black long sleeved dresses and black mantillas when meeting the Pope at the Vatican. But, from what I read, it is now optional, although many (most?) women meeting the Pope do it anyway. And, at minimum, modest dress is required

However, there apparently is an exception for certain female Catholic royalty, that they are allowed to wear white when meeting the Pope at the Vatican. Also, brides may wear their wedding dress to an audience with the Pope if they want a special newlywed blessing.

Someone correct me if I have this information wrong--I got my information from the Internet.

However, the Internet did not address proper attire for a woman who has challenged the Pope to a game of Monopoly. However, it is considered polite to let the Pope have the race car.

Edited May 7, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[marielapin]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='06 May 2010 - 08:59 PM' timestamp='1273197559' post='2106100']
I think it used to be the rule that women were required to wear black long sleeved dresses and black mantillas when meeting the Pope at the Vatican. But, from what I read, it is now optional, although many (most?) women meeting the Pope do it anyway. And, at minimum, modest dress is required

However, there apparently is an exception for certain female Catholic royalty, that they are allowed to wear white when meeting the Pope at the Vatican. Also, brides may wear their wedding dress to an audience with the Pope if they want a special newlywed blessing.

Someone correct me if I have this information wrong--I got my information from the Internet.

However, the Internet did not address proper attire for a woman who has challenged the Pope to a game of Monopoly. However, it is considered polite to let the Pope have the race car.
[/quote]

I've also seen women wearing white/ivory headcoverings when the Pope was baptizing their babies, though this was in the context of a mass which is completely different from a formal audience. And yes, you can wear your wedding dress and veil to get the newlywed blessing.

[Thomist-in-Training]

Queens of Catholic countries can wear white. It's not enough to be personally Catholic, you have to come from an officially Catholic country. I think there are only like two or three of those now, if any.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Thomist-in-Training' date='07 May 2010 - 08:38 PM' timestamp='1273282709' post='2106581']
Queens of Catholic countries can wear white. It's not enough to be personally Catholic, you have to come from an officially Catholic country. I think there are only like two or three of those now, if any.
[/quote]

Thanks for the clarification. I was trying to shorten the post by saying "certain" and not going into details. I know Spain is one of the countries. I think Luxembourg and Belgium may be two others. Not sure about any other countries.

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='06 May 2010 - 08:59 PM' timestamp='1273197559' post='2106100']
I think it used to be the rule that women were required to wear black long sleeved dresses and black mantillas when meeting the Pope at the Vatican. But, from what I read, it is now optional, although many (most?) women meeting the Pope do it anyway. And, at minimum, modest dress is required

However, there apparently is an exception for certain female Catholic royalty, that they are allowed to wear white when meeting the Pope at the Vatican. Also, brides may wear their wedding dress to an audience with the Pope if they want a special newlywed blessing.

Someone correct me if I have this information wrong--I got my information from the Internet.
[/quote]

Very interesting - I had heard about wearing black and covering your head if you met the pope, but I didn't know the rule was that it had to be lace.

Just curious - where were you able to find that? The only info I could find was about mantillas being something worn in Spain and Latin America, and that it became traditional to wear Spanish mantillas after Queen Isabel II in the 19th century, but I was unable to find something saying hats and other headcoverings were not allowed with the papal audience rule. In fact, I could have sworn I saw a picture on PM a while ago showing the Queen of England meeting with the pope in black with a black hat, but I don't recall any mention that she was supposed to be wearing a lace mantilla. Just curious, because I find it fascinating that the rule would have been for a Spanish mantilla.

Edited May 8, 2010 by fides quarens intellectum

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='fides quarens intellectum' date='08 May 2010 - 06:48 PM' timestamp='1273362532' post='2107182']
Very interesting - I had heard about wearing black and covering your head if you met the pope, but I didn't know the rule was that it had to be lace.

Just curious - where were you able to find that? The only info I could find was about mantillas being something worn in Spain and Latin America, and that it became traditional to wear Spanish mantillas after Queen Isabel II in the 19th century, but I was unable to find something saying hats and other headcoverings were not allowed with the papal audience rule. In fact, I could have sworn I saw a picture on PM a while ago showing the Queen of England meeting with the pope in black with a black hat, but I don't recall any mention that she was supposed to be wearing a lace mantilla. Just curious, because I find it fascinating that the rule would have been for a Spanish mantilla.
[/quote]

Forgive me, I didn't mean to suggest that the head covering had to be a black lace mantilla, although that seems to be what is favored-- at least by women who are important enough to have their picture taken when meeting the Pope.

I saw that picture of the Queen of England meeting the Pope, wearing a hat with a small veil at the back. Since the Queen has rarely been known to make a misstep in etiquette, I wonder if her position is felt to be different, or if she feels it is different, because she is the titular head of the Church of England.

Thanks for correcting my post.

Edited May 9, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='08 May 2010 - 06:56 PM' timestamp='1273362991' post='2107188']
Forgive me, I didn't mean to suggest that the head covering had to be a black lace mantilla, although that seems to be what is favored-- at least by women are important enough to have their picture taken when meeting the Pope.

I saw that picture of the Queen of England meeting the Pope, wearing a hat with a small veil at the back. Since the Queen has rarely been known to make a misstep in etiquette, I wonder if her position is felt to be different, or if she feels it is different, because she is the titular head of the Church of England.

Thanks for correcting my post.
[/quote]

ah, okay. I was just curious. Thanks for the clarification.

[the171]

bump.

[faithcecelia]

Ive made a number recently and gone for the 'rounded triangle' shape. They have been larger than you tend to see (at least over here where they are not particularly common) at 45" wide and 20" deep. They are only a cheapish lace, mainly because my priority was to make them available rather than make a profit - they work out about £2 each - and Ive given half a dozen so far to my parish.

[EmilyAnn]

I've had such trouble finding a mantilla in the UK, even online, that I'm thinking of making one. I've got a scarf that I'm using as the pattern and I've been spying in the fabric store to see what lace to use.


[quote name='faithcecelia' timestamp='1324975463' post='2358039']
Ive made a number recently and gone for the 'rounded triangle' shape. They have been larger than you tend to see (at least over here where they are not particularly common) at 45" wide and 20" deep. They are only a cheapish lace, mainly because my priority was to make them available rather than make a profit - they work out about £2 each - and Ive given half a dozen so far to my parish.
[/quote]

That's so razzle dazzle. I'd love to make veils but I don't have much time at the moment. Plus I'd then have a load of veils and nothing to do with them!

(Why on earth does "c-o-o-l" keep changing to "razzle dazzle"?)

Edited December 28, 2011 by EmilyAnn

[faithcecelia]

[quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1325095193' post='2358603']
I've had such trouble finding a mantilla in the UK, even online, that I'm thinking of making one. I've got a scarf that I'm using as the pattern and I've been spying in the fabric store to see what lace to use.




That's so razzle dazzle. I'd love to make veils but I don't have much time at the moment. Plus I'd then have a load of veils and nothing to do with them!

(Why on earth does "c-o-o-l" keep changing to "razzle dazzle"?)
[/quote]

I'll send you one of you like?

[MissScripture]

[quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1325095193' post='2358603']
I've had such trouble finding a mantilla in the UK, even online, that I'm thinking of making one. I've got a scarf that I'm using as the pattern and I've been spying in the fabric store to see what lace to use.




That's so razzle dazzle. I'd love to make veils but I don't have much time at the moment. Plus I'd then have a load of veils and nothing to do with them!

(Why on earth does "c-o-o-l" keep changing to "razzle dazzle"?)
[/quote]
dUSt likes to philter random words like "co.ol" and "chee.se" and "pa.nts."

[LaPetiteSoeur]

Ravelry has a ton of chapel veil patterns! It's free to join and there are other knitting/crocheting patterns for everything (and I mean everything) there as well. Many patterns are completely free! If you join and need friends, I'm there as "Laboure"

[EmilyAnn]

[quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1325102351' post='2358660']
dUSt likes to philter random words like "co.ol" and "chee.se" and "pa.nts."
[/quote]

Hmm. So "c.o.o.l" becomes "razzle dazzle", "c.h.e.e.s.e" becomes "coagulated milk" and "p.a.n.t.s" becomes "pantaloons".
Weird.



[quote name='faithcecelia' timestamp='1325097218' post='2358619']
I'll send you one of you like?
[/quote]

Oh that's really sweet of you, thank you so much.
I'll pay you back any postage costs.