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The Internet Archive And The Protected Daisy Format.

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It seems that the Internet Archive has shifted to using the [url="http://openlibrary.org/help/faq#protected-daisy"]Protected DAISY format[/url] for certain books that used to be freely download-able till now.

A couple of examples of such books that used to be available as PDFs and DVJUs for free download till recently but are not available anymore except in the Protected DAISY format are:

[url="http://www.archive.org/details/theologyandsanit009981mbp"]1. Theology And Sanity - by Frank Sheed[/url]

[url="http://www.archive.org/details/growingupabsurdp013008mbp"]2. Growing Up Absurd Problems Of Youth In The Organized System - by Paul Goodman[/url]

So I suppose the moral of the story is that if you find a book you want to read on the Internet Archive, download it and store it on your hard-drive immediately, because sometime later it may not be available for download.

P.S. I'm not able to download even these protected DAISY format files. Is anyone else able to download them? Edited by Innocent

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Innocent
[quote name='LouisvilleFan' date='31 May 2010 - 11:55 AM' timestamp='1275283507' post='2121058']
or get 'em at your local library or bookstore :)
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If you live in a location where you can go to your neighbourhood book-shop and immediately find any book you fancy, then you are truly blessed!

As to libraries, if you are convinced of the value of a book before reading it, you might want to [url="http://www.radicalacademy.com/adlermarkabook.htm"]mark in it while reading[/url], and you can't do that with a library book.

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LouisvilleFan
[quote name='Innocent' date='31 May 2010 - 09:21 AM' timestamp='1275308518' post='2121105']
If you live in a location where you can go to your neighbourhood book-shop and immediately find any book you fancy, then you are truly blessed![/quote]

As to libraries, if you are convinced of the value of a book before reading it, you might want to [url="http://www.radicalacademy.com/adlermarkabook.htm"]mark in it while reading[/url], and you can't do that with a library book.
[/quote]

If they don't have it, you always have Amazon and eBay to find more rare books. Personally, I enjoy picking up used books that already have writing in them... interesting to see what stood out to another reader and what notes they made (or where they got bored and quit reading :).

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Innocent
Another good book unavailable now: [url="http://www.archive.org/details/worldslastnighta012347mbp"]The Worlds Last Night And Other Essays (1960) - by C.S. Lewis[/url]

Very frustrating. Edited by Innocent

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LouisvilleFan
So, I don't think I've even heard of the Internet Archive before. The Google Books thing has been in the headlines a lot, but their goal is to make every book ever published available online, though not necessarily free.

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Innocent
[quote name='LouisvilleFan' date='04 June 2010 - 06:06 AM' timestamp='1275608190' post='2123387']
So, I don't think I've even heard of the Internet Archive before. The Google Books thing has been in the headlines a lot, but their goal is to make every book ever published available online, though not necessarily free.
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The Internet Archive is a great treasury of Public Domain material. If you spend a few minutes looking through the website you will be amazed at the immense amount of material available for free.

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Another one gone: [url="http://www.archive.org/details/leisurethebasiso007390mbp"][i]Leisure The Basis Of Culture[/i] - Josef Pieper[/url]

:weep:

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Apotheoun
It is strange since these materials are all in the public domain and Internet Archive's stated policy has always been - and to the best of my knowledge continues to be - ". . . to provide universal access to all knowledge."

Oddly they have adopted a system that is meant to make materials more accessible to those with vision problems, but have in the process ended up restricting use of the materials to that small segment of the population.

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Innocent
Sertillanges' great book is also now only in DAISY format:

[url="http://www.archive.org/details/intellectuallife00sertrich"][i]The intellectual life : its spirit, conditions, methods[/i] (1947)- Antonin Gilbert Sertillanges[/url]

:sadder:



[quote name='Apotheoun' date='12 June 2010 - 10:35 PM' timestamp='1276358733' post='2127725']
It is strange since these materials are all in the public domain and Internet Archive's stated policy has always been - and to the best of my knowledge continues to be - ". . . to provide universal access to all knowledge."

Oddly they have adopted a system that is meant to make materials more accessible to those with vision problems, but have in the process ended up restricting use of the materials to that small segment of the population.
[/quote]

This is incredibly frustrating for me. Of course, I am not, strictly speaking, "entitled" to be frustrated, since I have not so far supported the Internet Archive financially or otherwise, but when I first found these books, I was extremely excited and grateful for this unlooked-for opportunity to have access to these valuable books which I am sure I will not be able to find in local bookstores easily or cheaply. (I have printed out several entire books from the Internet Archive so that I can write in the book while reading.)

Thus to have this opportunity withdrawn (only in part, thankfully. They are using the DAISY format only for what they classify as "modern books" by which I think they mean those books published in the years towards the middle of the 20th century. I think the books from the 19th century and early 20th century are still available in the conventional formats) after having been permitted to have a taste of it once, it is very frustrating. Edited by Innocent

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Innocent
Time for more mourning:

[url="http://www.archive.org/details/contemporarymora012987mbp"][i]Contemporary Moral Theology Volume II Marriage Questions[/i] (1963) - by John C. Ford S. J.and Gerald Kelly.[/url]

I regret not downloading this particular book back in the time when it was download-able. Edited by Innocent

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Lounge Daddy
We want to protect information by making it less accessible. Makes sense to me.

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Lounge Daddy
So this rosbud format, or daisy, or whatever, is just another way to cripple products with DRM. Keen.

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Innocent
[url="http://www.archive.org/details/newtestamentofou00knox"]The New Testament translated by Monsig[/url]nor Ronald Knox is now up on the Archive, BUT, it's in the Daisy Format only. One difference is that there's a provision for some sort of [url="http://www.archive.org/details/lendinglibrary"]experimental digital book-lending system[/url] based on DRM implemented through Adobe Content Server. Edited by Innocent

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