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[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1335994765' post='2426196']
You should get a virus protection program. Then you could open them without worry.

Or is this really some bizarre prejudice against FSU?
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You mean Tallahanasty State?

[Winchester]

How would I know?

[4588686]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1335996104' post='2426214']
How would I know?
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How does one know anything?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1335996384' post='2426217']
How does one know anything?
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[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1335997356' post='2426219']
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRewcZXEMb8[/media]
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[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1335995986' post='2426212']
You mean Tallahanasty State?
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Thank you for giving me something that I can give props to.

[4588686]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1336000798' post='2426249']
Thank you for giving me something that I can give props to.
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Haha. I had friends who came to UNC from Florida and that was their nickname for it.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1335966788' post='2426048']
Anarchism is nothing more than voluntary society. How is that contrary to scripture?
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Last I checked, anarchism involved the objective of the complete abolition of the state, or believing the state in itself is intrinsically illegitimate. Plenty of people are involved in "voluntary society" who are not in any way anarchists. Changing the definition of words to fit your purposes won't work here.

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1335985050' post='2426140']
Authority is an important word. No one has authority to command immorality. I needn't obey any law which has not the character of justice.

That passage does not set a requirement to have a state, merely that one should obey "all human authority". See above restriction regarding authority. So long as I do not use my freedom as a cover for evil, I am to live as a free person. We are clearly free to set up voluntary societies. If that passage prescribed the existence of a state, anyone living outside of a state would be a sin. You couldn't explore. You would have to fly under the flag of a nation on the high seas, or risk your immortal soul.

The writer of that passage died whilst not submitting to a human power. Apparently, he did not intend for us to submit to mere power, but only to authority.
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Saint Peter in that epistle specifically mentioned the emperor. If you think the Roman emperor in the early Christian era was some kind of benign voluntary authority, you need a serious lesson in history. Yet St. Peter said we are to be subject to him. Obviously, we are not commanded to obey blatantly unjust laws which command us to do objectively immoral things (such as deny Christ, or worship the emperor as god.) However, even Christ said "to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" when asked about whether to pay the Roman tax (which helped finance a state that oppressed the Jews), and stated that Pilate (who had Him crucified) had authority given to Him by God.

The point is not that we should not oppose unjust laws, or approve of everything the government does, but if the Roman state, by virtue of being a state, (as anarchism teaches) was in itself illegitimate and possessing no authority, Christ, Saint Peter, and Saint Paul would have simply said so, rather than teaching Christians to be subject to it. They were certainly no cowards when it came to preaching moral truth. Neither were they fools. If the state possessed no legitimate authority, they would have said so.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1336002870' post='2426256']
Saint Peter in that epistle specifically mentioned the emperor. If you think the Roman emperor in the early Christian era was some kind of benign voluntary authority,
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I'm trying to figure out how in the floopy you could possibly get that from what I wrote.

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[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1336006911' post='2426301']
I'm trying to figure out how in the floopy you could possibly get that from what I wrote.
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Chucky chucky five dolla!

[Winchester]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1335915425' post='2425838']
Actually, I've read and own at least five books by Dr. Woods. He has good arguments with regards to economics and Constitutional issues. But he's a conservative-libertarian, not an anarchist.

Anarcho-capitalism is fairies and unicorns fantasy.
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You might want to pay more attention to what Woods says. A couple minutes in, Tom gets his opening statement. He addresses the real unicorn fantasy.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpmqy9tC4uI [/media]

[Kia ora]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1336002870' post='2426256']
They were certainly no cowards when it came to preaching moral truth.
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They never condemned slavery as an unjust institution.

They had to look after their flock. If they said 'don't pay taxes to the evil emperor guyz', the Christians would have been annihilated.

Edited May 3, 2012 by Kia ora

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1336045126' post='2426470']
You might want to pay more attention to what Woods says. A couple minutes in, Tom gets his opening statement. He addresses the real unicorn fantasy.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpmqy9tC4uI [/media]
[/quote]Link doesn't show up for me, and my short attention span prevents me from watching some vid, trying to figure out what YOU think Tom is saying. Can you provide a succint statement making your point because I can't see how the floopy you defended or deflected Soc's saying anarcho-capitalism can only be fantasy.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Kia ora' timestamp='1336047347' post='2426482']
They never condemned slavery as an unjust institution.

They had to look after their flock. If they said 'don't pay taxes to the evil emperor guyz', the Christians would have been annihilated.
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Do I recognize the influence of Sobran, in this response?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1336049104' post='2426492']
Link doesn't show up for me, and my short attention span prevents me from watching some vid, trying to figure out what YOU think Tom is saying. Can you provide a succint statement making your point because I can't see how the floopy you defended or deflected Soc's saying anarcho-capitalism can only be fantasy.
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I don't really need to deflect his personal opinion about anarcho-capitalism--it's a personal opinion that consists of hot air and derision.

I've provided a link to a useful video, which is not the only time Tom Woods speaks out in favor of (at the least) market anarchy. If I get around to it, I type out an actual quote. Sorry to have insulted your religion.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1336066917' post='2426552'] Sorry to have insulted your religion.
[/quote]Considering my religion is a superficially pragmatic acceptance of a limited perception of reality, your insult did as much harm as a marshmallow trying to crack a walnut.

But seriously. You often enlighten me (ie: Gov. inflation of currency), I was hoping to learn something without expending much effort on my part.

[Amppax]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1336067922' post='2426561']
I was hoping to learn something without expending much effort on my part.
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Story of my life right hurr!

[Winchester]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1336067922' post='2426561']
Considering my religion is a superficially pragmatic acceptance of a limited perception of reality, your insult did as much harm as a marshmallow trying to crack a walnut.

But seriously. You often enlighten me (ie: Gov. inflation of currency), I was hoping to learn something without expending much effort on my part.
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I'm unsure of your tactics, right now, so I'm going to keep acting tough until I figure it out.


Give me time, I'll think of something. And thanks.

[Anomaly]

I'm being sincire. I read Benson's peice you linked to. I think it's a better defense of the order of a relationship between market and Government, not a good defense that Government laws aren't needed. That's why I'm curious how you are defining anarcho-captitalism.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1336073431' post='2426603']
I'm being sincire. I read Benson's peice you linked to. I think it's a better defense of the order of a relationship between market and Government, not a good defense that Government laws aren't needed. That's why I'm curious how you are defining anarcho-captitalism.
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I agree that Benson's piece does not seal the deal for claims of anarchy. The order amongst merchants arose in a world with various governments, so one could argue that government was necessary to provide that climate, and it would take a Hoppe or Tucker to argue against them successfully.

As far an anarcho-capitalism I view it as a market entirely free of aggression, including government interference. I suppose it's also a belief that government intervention is a drain on the economy, not a boon, and that all the functions of government can be provided by non-government entities. A common response is that companies would operate for profit, and thus not have our best interests at heart. It seems to me that government also operates for profit, but they call it taxation. The relationship I would have with a security guard I hired is significantly different from the relationship I have with a police officer, whose paycheck comes not from an entity that I hire or choose, but an entity that claims I must support it or face violence. Once I accepted that all law is force, my outlook on the state changed.