dUSt Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) So one of my issues with other forms of Christianity is authenticity. Specifically, when Christians go on about everything they believe coming from the Bible--and their problem with the Catholic Church's Tradition and Magisterium. I think this is unauthentic. I think they too rely on sources outside of the Bible. I think they too have their own traditions. Mega churches rely heavily on the thoughts and interpretations of their pastor. Jehovah Witnesses rely heavily on Watchtower Publications. Baptists argue over whether they are or are not Calvinists. The list goes on. So, while Protestant Christianity claims to believe in only the Bible, this is clearly not the case--there are numerous outside influences that shape their interpretation of the Bible. The difference between them and Catholics, is Protestants do not admit it. Catholics do. Catholicism seems to be one of the few forms of Christianity that keeps it real in this regard. Authentic. Thoughts? Arguments? Edited April 28, 2015 by dUSt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) Meh. Let people worship the way they want. I have little to no interest in debating someone about whether or not I think their faith is authentic.Its not up to me. Edited April 28, 2015 by CrossCuT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catlick Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Meh. Let people worship the way they want. I have little to no interest in debating someone about whether or not I think their faith is authentic or not.Its not up to me. The question of authentic Christianity (that is, Christianity as taught by Jesus to His apostles) is of utmost importance if your soul's destiny depends on what you profess - as Christ Himself taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The question of authentic Christianity (that is, Christianity as taught by Jesus to His apostles) is of utmost importance if your soul's destiny depends on what you profess - as Christ Himself taught. Sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catlick Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 So, while Protestant Christianity claims to believe in only the Bible, this is clearly not the case--there are numerous outside influences that shape their interpretation of the Bible Not just their interpretation, their Biblical canon has been shaped by outside influences. Martin Luther professed Scripture as sole authority in matters of faith, basing this profession on what he called the Bible and what we know as a canon of Bible books Luther found to be in line with his own theology. And that theology came from Scripture, the sole authority... Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Meh. Let people worship the way they want. I have little to no interest in debating someone about whether or not I think their faith is authentic.Its not up to me. Yet here you are debating gay marriage with us -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Meh. Let people worship the way they want. I have little to no interest in debating someone about whether or not I think their faith is authentic.Its not up to me. I am not questioning the authenticity of people's faith. I am trying to illustrate that denying that outside influences other than the Bible form that faith is unauthentic. Also, "let people worship the way they want" is not well thought out. Really think about what this means. It means chaos. It means no laws, no regulations, no guidelines. No morality. It basically means the destruction of society as we know it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I think mainstream Protestants would not argue that they have different traditions among believers, but that the important things ares a commitment to the Bible, faith in Christ, etc. But they have things like synods, churches, creeds, hierarchies, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Philosopher Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 So one of my issues with other forms of Christianity is authenticity. Specifically, when Christians go on about everything they believe coming from the Bible--and their problem with the Catholic Church's Tradition and Magisterium. I think this is unauthentic. I think they too rely on sources outside of the Bible. I think they too have their own traditions. Mega churches rely heavily on the thoughts and interpretations of their pastor. Jehovah Witnesses rely heavily on Watchtower Publications. Baptists argue over whether they are or are not Calvinists. The list goes on. So, while Protestant Christianity claims to believe in only the Bible, this is clearly not the case--there are numerous outside influences that shape their interpretation of the Bible. The difference between them and Catholics, is Protestants do not admit it. Catholics do. Catholicism seems to be one of the few forms of Christianity that keeps it real in this regard. Authentic. Thoughts? Arguments? I think this is more or less correct.But I must admit that "authentic" has become one of those words in recent years that grates on me. It gets used too much, like, "artisan." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Yet here you are debating gay marriage with us -_- There is a difference between telling people how to worship and standing up for social justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I am not questioning the authenticity of people's faith. I am trying to illustrate that denying that outside influences other than the Bible form that faith is unauthentic. its likely I simply dont understand why that would be important to you. But thats fine. Also, "let people worship the way they want" is not well thought out. Really think about what this means. It means chaos. It means no laws, no regulations, no guidelines. No morality. It basically means the destruction of society as we know it. lol I dont think allowing people to worship as they please is synonymous with allowing harm to others. We already opetate that way in most civilized societies. We dont care what you do during your day to day activities as long as you dont go around shooting people up, raping children, stealing or whatever else. If you dont cause harm to people, we could really care less what you choose to watch on tv or what sport to play or what physical activity makes your heart go thump thump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I think mainstream Protestants would not argue that they have different traditions among believers, but that the important things ares a commitment to the Bible, faith in Christ, etc. But they have things like synods, churches, creeds, hierarchies, etc. Right. I guess what I am trying to say is for certain doctrines that are not implicitly black & white in the Bible, knowledge "outside" of the Bible is often used. I will often hear "most scholars agree"... ok, so now we have the Bible in addition to "scholars" that are forming your belief system. I think the authenticity of Catholicism is that our "scholars" are not vague. We have the magisterium. Fully transparent scholars that we admit to relying on for Biblical interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 There is a difference between telling people how to worship and standing up for social justice. But *we* don't see a difference between faith and morals. Then you say it doesn't matter what other people believe... it's all relative so you're not going to tell anyone what to do in their Faith. But then you're telling people what to do in their faith regarding gay marriage??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I dont think allowing people to worship as they please is synonymous with allowing harm to others. We already opetate that way in most civilized societies. We dont care what you do during your day to day activities as long as you dont go around shooting people up, raping children, stealing or whatever else. If you dont cause harm to people, we could really care less what you choose to watch on tv or what sport to play or what physical activity makes your heart go thump thump. Is making legal pornography part of your "we don't care what you do" acceptable behavior? It's perfectly legal. Yet, it destroys families, and harms my children in ways that will affect the rest of their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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