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conception

first trimester

second trimester

third trimester

actual birth

baptism

first communion / age of reason 

 

 

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little2add
On 9/4/2017 at 11:47 AM, JJJPK said:

Yes, conception without doubt. You have a zygote, you have a soul there.

Genetically, of course there is no  doubt 

 Scientifically  some  argue that  it is only a blob of tissue at this stage.  How quaint  this line of thinking is!

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Peace

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19741118_declaration-abortion_en.html

19. This declaration expressly leaves aside the question of the moment when the spiritual soul is infused. There is not a unanimous tradition on this point and authors are as yet in disagreement. For some it dates from the first instant; for others it could not at least precede nidation. It is not within the competence of science to decide between these views, because the existence of an immortal soul is not a question in its field. It is a philosophical problem from which our moral affirmation remains independent for two reasons: (1) supposing a belated animation, there is still nothing less than a human life, preparing for and calling for a soul in which the nature received from parents is completed, (2) on the other hand, it suffices that this presence of the soul be probable (and one can never prove the contrary) in order that the taking of life involve accepting the risk of killing a man, not only waiting for, but already in possession of his soul.

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Child of the child

At conception, God doesn't need the trimester or any amount of to decide whether the soul will live forever. Jeremiah 1:5 says God knew us before we were conceived. St Thomas Aquinas talked on this also. Love the Lord, Jesus is Real

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phatcatholic

"Certainly no experimental datum can be in itself sufficient to bring us to the recognition of a spiritual soul; nevertheless, the conclusions of science regarding the human embryo provide a valuable indication for discerning by the use of reason a personal presence at the moment of this first appearance of a human life: how could a human individual not be a human person? The Magisterium has not expressly committed itself to an affirmation of a philosophical nature, but it constantly reaffirms the moral condemnation of any kind of procured abortion. This teaching has not been changed and is unchangeable.(26)

Thus the fruit of human generation, from the first moment of its existence, that is to say from the moment the zygote has formed, demands the unconditional respect that is morally due to the human being in his bodily and spiritual totality. The human being is to be respected and treated as a person from the moment of conception; and therefore from that same moment his rights as a person must be recognized, among which in the first place is the inviolable right of every innocent human being to life."

-- Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "Instruction on Respect for Human Life in Its Origin and on the Dignity of Procreation: Replies to Certain Questions of the Day" (Feb 22, 1987)

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Child of the child

Sorry phatcatholic not to be rude , but i don't really understand your message asks what angle your coming from on your first paragraph. Yes a child should be respected at conception, and the first thing a baby should witness is love grin the parents and not a decision to kill/abort the baby. 

The soul long lives with the Lord. 

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