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Why I'm A Humanist And Not A Catholic

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GreenScapularedHuman
49 minutes ago, CatherineM said:

Heinrich Himmler was a product of humanist education. 

He rejected humanitarianism and humanism. He called both weak, inferior, broken, and backwards. He strongly pushed for the opposite of what he considered a stronger, superior, whole, and forward thinking social Darwinism.

To say that he is a product of a humanist education is just about as accurate to say that Hitler and he were products of a Catholic upbringing. But I don't even know what is meant by a 'humanist education' or how one would qualify if he received it or not...

Which at very least Hitler had a reasonably positive relationship with the Vatican and the Catholic Church...

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Luigi

Josh - So you're a humanist, not a Catholic. That's fine. What do you want from us? Are you trying to convert us to your way of thinking? Do you want us to convert you to our way of thinking?

If you've found what you were looking for, why do you post to a Catholic board?

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dUSt

Josh, I'm not sure if you agree with this article or are just posting it for discussion. This guy brings up nothing new or revolutionary. We've discussed all these things many times over the years here at phatmass.

The dude doesn't believe in God. He states a lot of reasons that make sense to him (but not me). Now he basically thinks that every human should be their own God. This is how we get Hitlers. This is why abortion is accepted. This is why people shoot up schools. What's your point?

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GreenScapularedHuman

Hitler believed in a god, he actually staunchly opposed atheism and secularism, he called them corruptions and perversions of the masses... it was apart of Hitler's public explanation for opposing communism and the Soviet Union. Being an atheist was enough to be considered a social deviant in nazi Germany and was enough to be sent to a detention and/or death camp.

The only major Axis power that was actually an atheist was Benito Mussolini...

There are plenty of irreligious individuals who are moral, ethical, decent, and charitable people. Bill Gates donates millions upon millions of dollars yearly to those in extreme poverty around the world despite being irreligious and being on the record as stating he doubts there is any kind of god.

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Josh

Strange notions is s Catholic website (a very good one) started by Brandon Vogt. The article was good in my opinion and brought up interesting points. Shared it for discussion and to be a little provocative. Get the people going. Also maybe an atheist or two would like the article and browse others on the site. (Strange notions)

1 hour ago, Luigi said:

Josh - So you're a humanist, not a Catholic. That's fine. What do you want from us? Are you trying to convert us to your way of thinking? Do you want us to convert you to our way of thinking?

If you've found what you were looking for, why do you post to a Catholic board?

I'm still Catholic. One of those Catholics who sin really bad. One who just went to Confession last night and Saturday and the week before. Hope you've been good. Btw chill out a little bit. It's an article from a really good Catholic website that engages atheists and agnostics. They also  actually get traffic unlike this site lol

1 hour ago, dUSt said:

This is why people shoot up schools. 

Maybe or perhaps it's also becuase people love their guns more than children's safety and refuse to budge even a tad to adjust laws to make children safer. I'm glad being Catholic doesn't entail agreeing with you on everything lol Because you're very opinionated and I find myself disagreeing with you a lot. You started a cool website way back when but you're not the magisterium. With all that said I'm still a big fan. God bless.

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Luigi
13 minutes ago, Josh said:

Strange notions is s Catholic website (a very good one) started by Brandon Vogt. The article was good in my opinion and brought up interesting points. Shared it for discussion and to be a little provocative. Get the people going. Also maybe an atheist or two would like the article and browse others on the site. (Strange notions)

I'm still Catholic. One of those Catholics who sin really bad. One who just went to Confession last night and Saturday and the week before. Hope you've been good. Btw chill out a little bit. It's an article from a really good Catholic website that engages atheists and agnostics. They also  actually get traffic unlike this site lol

Okay. I thought you were using that article to tell us your beliefs.

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Josh
24 minutes ago, Luigi said:

Okay. I thought you were using that article to tell us your beliefs.

No I'm not but what if I was? I'm not welcome here if I don't think the same as you guys or believe in God? I agree with the article about the Old Testament issues. I think a lot of people do if they're honest. I don't draw the same conclusions as the author about God. God can still exist wether or not the Bible is inerrant. Either God exists or doesn't. And if God does he/she/it is not confined to a book or dogmas. With that said Jesus is my God and how I choose to view God in my life. It's through him how I have a relationship with my higher power. For others it's different.

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GreenScapularedHuman

Although not intended by the article's author, the title I think gives the illusion of a false dichotomy, that is that humanism (even secular humanism) is incompatible with Catholicism. I would agree that secular humanism moreover does have some significant modifications to Catholic belief/attitude moreover regarding 'dogma' but I don't think its too far of a bridge... To note I am a secular humanist.

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