Can You Help?

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Just wanted to say thank you to you guys!!!

I do listen....although I may not seem to be around a lot! :D

[KennC]

Saaaay, ... Mrs. Bro. Adam, by your avatar there, ... there wouldn't be a little Bro.Adam on the way would there, .. hmmmm!

Peace of Christ, Ken

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Saaaay, ... Mrs. Bro. Adam, by your avatar there, ... there wouldn't be a little Bro.Adam on the way would there, .. hmmmm!

Peace of Christ, Ken

Nope...it's that cause I couldn't find any other avatar that I like at the moment.

But I"m sure ya'll be among the first to know if and when we ever do get pregnant.

[KennC]

But I"m sure ya'll be among the first to know if and when we ever do get pregnant.

Well Bless your Heart, ... we'll be waiting for the good news :D

Peace, Ken

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Well Bless your Heart, ... we'll be waiting for the good news  :D

Peace, Ken

Well....That may be a few years ;)

[KennC]

:D "Well....That may be a few years" ... that's ok!, .. I have nothing but time, .. leans back in chair and puts feet up, .. uhh! God willing that is!

Peace of Christ, Ken

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Any one seen this thread lately? Come over and help me...please!!!!

Here's the link: Catholicism

[MC Just]

Theres a whole lot of love on that phorum. That Marc dude makes me angry. Is Catholicism evil? What about all the great things our Church has done through out history? The Miracles? The Love? None of that means anything huh? Our Church has always been united and caring, Protestants come around and try to tell us that our Church has always been wrong? I dont think so. Heretics!!!!!!

Edited September 27, 2003 by Mc-Just†

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

LOL

Remember the love.

Well...I do try to stick up for you guys, however, I can't do it alone...I just don't know enough about your faith, yet...

[MC Just]

Well thanks. And sorry for my response, i just get so mad because our Faith is just so "Misunderstood"

[cmotherofpirl]

LOL

Remember the love.

Well...I do try to stick up for you guys, however, I can't do it alone...I just don't know enough about your faith, yet...

You ask us the questions and we'll give you the answers...

[KennC]

Hmm, .. now I need a little help here, .. one question for my Catholic family and one for my Protestant brothers and sisters.

Catholic question; Where on earth did the Pope ever say, Quote: "Islam is a Religion of salvation". I've found this exact phrase from a Protestant essay but can't find it on any Catholic site even from the Vatican Site. I found other references to Islam but never saying it's a Religion of Salvation.

Protestant question; on our friend Marc's site it was raised once more, this "Praying to Dead People", never in all my years as a Protestant has any Protestant Church I've ever known taught anything other than "Life after Death". Where did/does this rather novel teaching come from, thanks. Now I've asked this question many times (well, .. not here) and never have I received one response.

Peace of Christ, Ken

[cmotherofpirl]

I can't imagine the pope saying it, unless it is out of context.

I just typed in Islam in the EWTN document library and that quote is not there.

However if you type that phrase into google you get 4 pages of protestant sites saying it.

I have no clue to the dead people routine except that some fundamentalists think that souls "sleep" from death to the general resurrection. Its another novel popular doctrine.

[cmotherofpirl]

Here is what the early Church was saying about prayers to the "dead"

Origen

"But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but

also the angels . . . as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen

asleep" (Prayer 11 [A.D. 233]).

Cyprian of Carthage

"Let us remember one another in concord and unanimity. Let us on both sides [of

death] always pray for one another. Let us relieve burdens and afflictions by

mutual love, that if one of us, by the swiftness of divine condescension, shall

go hence first, our love may continue in the presence of the Lord, and our

prayers for our brethren and sisters not cease in the presence of the Father's

mercy" (Letters 56[60]:5 [A.D. 253]).

Anonymous

"Atticus, sleep in peace, secure in your safety, and pray anxiously for our

sins" (funerary inscription near St. Sabina's in Rome [A.D. 300]).

"Pray for your parents, Matronata Matrona. She lived one year, fifty-two days"

(ibid.).

"Mother of God, [listen to] my petitions; do not disregard us in adversity, but

rescue us from danger" (Rylands Papyrus 3 [A.D. 350]).

Methodius

"Hail to you for ever, Virgin Mother of God, our unceasing joy, for to you do I

turn again. You are the beginning of our feast; you are its middle and end; the

pearl of great price that belongs to the kingdom; the fat of every victim, the

living altar of the Bread of Life [Jesus]. Hail, you treasure of the love of

God. Hail, you fount of the Son's love for man. . . . You gleamed, sweet

gift-bestowing Mother, with the light of the sun; you gleamed with the

insupportable fires of a most fervent charity, bringing forth in the end that

which was conceived of you . . . making manifest the mystery hidden and

unspeakable, the invisible Son of the Father-the Prince of Peace, who in a

marvelous manner showed himself as less than all littleness" (Oration on Simeon

and Anna 14 [A.D. 305]).

"Therefore, we pray [ask] you, the most excellent among women, who glories in

the confidence of your maternal honors, that you would unceasingly keep us in

remembrance. O holy Mother of God, remember us, I say, who make our boast in

you, and who in august hymns celebrate the memory, which will ever live, and

never fade away" (ibid.).

"And you also, O honored and venerable Simeon, you earliest host of our holy

religion, and teacher of the resurrection of the faithful, do be our patron and

advocate with that Savior God, whom you were deemed worthy to receive into your

arms. We, together with you, sing our praises to Christ, who has the power of

life and death, saying, 'You are the true Light, proceeding from the true

Light; the true God, begotten of the true God'" (ibid.).

Cyril of Jerusalem

"Then [during the Eucharistic prayer] we make mention also of those who have

already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs,

that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition . .

. " (Catechetical Lectures 23:9 [A.D. 350]).

Hilary of Poitiers

"To those who wish to stand [in God's grace], neither the guardianship of

saints nor the defenses of angels are wanting" (Commentary on the Psalms

124:5:6 [A.D. 365]).

Ephraim the Syrian

"You victorious martyrs who endured torments gladly for the sake of the God and

Savior, you who have boldness of speech toward the Lord himself, you saints,

intercede for us who are timid and sinful men, full of sloth, that the grace of

Christ may come upon us, and enlighten the hearts of all of us so that we may

love him" (Commentary on Mark [A.D. 370]).

"Remember me, you heirs of God, you brethren of Christ; supplicate the Savior

earnestly for me, that I may be freed through Christ from him that fights

against me day by day" (The Fear at the End of Life [A.D. 370]).

The Liturgy of St. Basil

"By the command of your only-begotten Son we communicate with the memory of

your saints . . . by whose prayers and supplications have mercy upon us all,

and deliver us for the sake of your holy name" (Liturgy of St. Basil [A.D.

373]).

Pectorius

"Aschandius, my father, dearly beloved of my heart, with my sweet mother and my

brethren, remember your Pectorius in the peace of the Fish [Christ]" (Epitaph

of Pectorius [A.D. 375]).

Gregory of Nazianz

"May you [Cyprian] look down from above propitiously upon us, and guide our

word and life; and shepherd this sacred flock . . . gladden the Holy Trinity,

before which you stand" (Orations 17[24] [A.D. 380]).

"Yes, I am well assured that [my father's] intercession is of more avail now

than was his instruction in former days, since he is closer to God, now that he

has shaken off his bodily fetters, and freed his mind from the clay that

obscured it, and holds conversation naked with the nakedness of the prime and

purest mind . . . " (ibid., 18:4).

Gregory of Nyssa

"[Ephraim], you who are standing at the divine altar [in heaven] . . . bear us

all in remembrance, petitioning for us the remission of sins, and the fruition

of an everlasting kingdom" (Sermon on Ephraim the Syrian [A.D. 380]).

John Chrysostom

"He that wears the purple [i.e., a royal man] . . . stands begging of the

saints to be his patrons with God, and he that wears a diadem begs the

tentmaker [Paul] and the fisherman [Peter] as patrons, even though they be

dead" (Homilies on Second Corinthians 26 [A.D. 392]).

"When you perceive that God is chastening you, fly not to his enemies . . . but

to his friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to him,

and who have great power [in God]" (Orations 8:6 [A.D. 396]).

Ambrose of Milan

"May Peter, who wept so efficaciously for himself, weep for us and turn towards

us Christ's benign countenance" (The Six Days Work 5:25:90 [A.D. 393]).

Jerome

"You say in your book that while we live we are able to pray for each other,

but afterwards when we have died, the prayer of no person for another can be

heard. . . . But if the apostles and martyrs while still in the body can pray

for others, at a time when they ought still be solicitous about themselves, how

much more will they do so after their crowns, victories, and triumphs?"

(Against Vigilantius 6 [A.D. 406]).

Augustine

"A Christian people celebrates together in religious solemnity the memorials of

the martyrs, both to encourage their being imitated and so that it can share in

their merits and be aided by their prayers" (Against Faustus the Manichean

[A.D. 400]).

"There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of

the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is

not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for the dead who are

remembered. For it is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought

ourselves be commended" (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]).

"At the Lord's table we do not commemorate martyrs in the same way that we do

others who rest in peace so as to pray for them, but rather that they may pray

for us that we may follow in their footsteps" (Homilies on John 84 [A.D. 416]).

"Neither are the souls of the pious dead separated from the Church which even

now is the kingdom of Christ. Otherwise there would be no remembrance of them

at the altar of God in the communication of the Body of Christ" (The City of

God 20:9:2 [A.D. 419]).

[KennC]

Thank you Cmom;

Theres a big hubub going on over at RR over the quote and I sure couldn't find it, yet another invention much like this dead people business. All my years as a Protestant the teaching from every Church was Life after Death, ... so how does this alighn with "teachings of men".

thanks again, Ken