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Chiquitunga
[quote name='Studiumecclesiae' timestamp='1290766173' post='2189358']
There are some photos of the outside chapel (the one anyone can go to for Mass)
[url="http://salveregina.over-blog.com/article-les-religieuses-victimes-du-sacre-coeur-de-jesus-56673199.html"]http://salveregina.o...s-56673199.html[/url]
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Wow, thanks for sharing! Is this your blog? It is really neat to see pictures from there and to hear a little about your visit. Question .. are they formally a part of the Franciscan Order at all? like a branch of them? so that their final vows might be Solemn like the (Franciscan) Conceptionist Nuns are (although from reading a little more online, I believe they're their own Order now, though I still think they wear the cord)? I would guess they, the Victim Nuns, are a completely autonomous monastery, as all cloistered monasteries are really .. but anyway, I was just wondering. Did they say anything about their spirituality being Franciscan? It definitely looks so .. and reparation and the Cross and adoration are a big part of Franciscan spirituality, the Order of Penance. Edited by Chiquitunga

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Klaudi87
[quote name='Studiumecclesiae' timestamp='1290766173' post='2189358']
There are some photos of the outside chapel (the one anyone can go to for Mass)
[url="http://salveregina.over-blog.com/article-les-religieuses-victimes-du-sacre-coeur-de-jesus-56673199.html"][size="4"][url="http://salveregina.over-blog.com/article-les-religieuses-victimes-du-sacre-coeur-de-jesus-56673199.html"]http://salveregina.o...s-56673199.html[/url][/size][/url][size="4"] [/size]
They have the Tridentine Mass every day except for Fridays because their confessor says the Novus Ordo.
It's the strictest Order I have ever known.
You can't see them at all, there are grills+curtains, so it's impossible to catch a glimpse of them.
I just saw Mother Superior in the Parlour (the nun's photo if you scroll up, it's HER) but the sister who is from "le tour", you know that round thing that lets you pass things, I just could hear her voice, just like the Sacristan's. All the others, nothing at all.
Just hear their voices for the Office or Mass, but nothing else.
It's a very special vocation, they are here for REPARATION, for the greatest sins of the world. They are very traditionalistic, and I like them.
I kept in touch with the Mother Superior, and if I am around Marseille, I go and see her in the parlour and tell her all my spiritual adventure and discernment. I know I couldn't join them.

They are so marvellous! the youngest entered there when she was 20. They have lots of vocations! Surely, they are faithful to their founder.
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Thanks for sharing!!! Beautiful pictures....makes me wish I knew french! lol
I agree with Chiquitunga, they look franciscan to me. :)

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Studiumecclesiae
I think they are an independent community now. They have a very strong spirituality based on the secret of Fatima.
I don't know about the nature of their solemn vows, however...
They didn't tell me anything about St Francic, I am not sure they are Franciscan.

They are UNIQUE, there isn't another convent like that in the world. that's amazing!!

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='Studiumecclesiae' timestamp='1291042284' post='2189842']
I think they are an independent community now. They have a very strong spirituality based on the secret of Fatima.
I don't know about the nature of their solemn vows, however...
They didn't tell me anything about St Francis, I am not sure they are Franciscan.

They are UNIQUE, there isn't another convent like that in the world. that's amazing!!
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That is interesting .. I would be very surprised if they were not at all Franciscan, what with the rope cords they wear .. and their habits being the same/or very close to the color of the original habit of St. Francis. When I first heard of this community, what immediately came to mind was one of Our Lord's appearances to St. Margaret Mary, where He said that of all the saints after His Mother, St. Francis had most perfectly imitated His Most Sacred Heart. And He gave St. Francis to her as a patron and model. So I wonder if this was the inspiration for their Franciscan looking habit .. as they are especially consecrated to the Sacred Heart.

[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wB-P2XchKSc/RyS9xE0DcRI/AAAAAAAAAF0/yuN7vpJ-JpI/S259/St.%2BMargaret%2BMary%2BAlacoque,%2BSacred%2BHeart%2B%26%2BSt.%2BFrancis.gif[/img]

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tnavarro61
[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1291359614' post='2190583']
That is interesting .. I would be very surprised if they were not at all Franciscan, what with the rope cords they wear .. and their habits being the same/or very close to the color of the original habit of St. Francis. When I first heard of this community, what immediately came to mind was one of Our Lord's appearances to St. Margaret Mary, where He said that of all the saints after His Mother, St. Francis had most perfectly imitated His Most Sacred Heart. And He gave St. Francis to her as a patron and model. So I wonder if this was the inspiration for their Franciscan looking habit .. as they are especially consecrated to the Sacred Heart.

[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wB-P2XchKSc/RyS9xE0DcRI/AAAAAAAAAF0/yuN7vpJ-JpI/S259/St.%2BMargaret%2BMary%2BAlacoque,%2BSacred%2BHeart%2B%26%2BSt.%2BFrancis.gif[/img]
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where is the LIKE button here? :)

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TradMom
+Praised be Jesus Christ!

Thank you for bringing this thread to the forefront again; these nuns appear to be very holy, dedicated and quite disciplined. Of course, their very beautiful habits, which truly bring one's thoughts to Our Lord and Lady, don't hurt! :clapping:

Pax,
TradMom

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Studiumecclesiae
Yea, they are so pious!
There's a conversation there:
[url="http://tradvocations.blogspot.com/2008/05/religieuses-victimes-du-sacr-coeur.html"]http://tradvocations.blogspot.com/2008/05/religieuses-victimes-du-sacr-coeur.html[/url]
It's interesting what they say about these nuns.
The founders are du Père Jean du Sacré Coeur and Julie Adèle.

They are really ascetic!!

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='Studiumecclesiae' timestamp='1292239866' post='2192512']
Yea, they are so pious!
There's a conversation there:
[url="http://tradvocations.blogspot.com/2008/05/religieuses-victimes-du-sacr-coeur.html"]http://tradvocations...sacr-coeur.html[/url]
It's interesting what they say about these nuns.
The founders are du Père Jean du Sacré Coeur and Julie Adèle.

They are really ascetic!!
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That is interesting .. and it says they follow the Rule of St. Augustine. A page on this priest, [url="http://www.timon-david.org/spip/article.php3?id_article=178"]Père Jean du Sacré Coeur[/url], which mentions him founding this community .. Still, there must be something Franciscan about them with their habit .. Another picture I just found of them [url="http://hallowedground.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/great-favor/"]here[/url] ..


[img]http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa138/kjk76_91/NunsPraying.jpg?t=1182349494[/img] Edited by Chiquitunga

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Studiumecclesiae
Look what I've just found!!! Photos dating from 1992. And it's really them, I can recognize the Mother Superior, she was so young!

[url="http://brautdeslammes.blogspot.com/2011/02/seigneur-la-silence-est-votre-louange-2.html?spref=fb"]http://brautdeslammes.blogspot.com/2011/02/seigneur-la-silence-est-votre-louange-2.html?spref=fb[/url]

Enjoy!!!

[i]StudiumEcclesiae[/i]

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Amy G.
Thanks for the beautiful photos!

Does anyone know if this community is in line with Rome?

Also - does anyone have more info on their charism? What does it mean that they are based on the secret of Fatima? Do they have any Carmelite influence? What are some of their ascetic practices (what makes them one of the strictest communities)?

Thanks for the info! I'm hoping to visit a Carmelite monastery in France over Easter break...so I might consider stopping over to visit them, si Dieu le veut! :)

One thing that I find a little frustrating about the monastery of the Victims of the Sacred Heart and many Carmelite monasteries -- they're in the middle of cities! I think I remember reading that St. Teresa of Avila wanted her monasteries to be in/near cities or towns so that they would be near the people...maybe this is because they are technically mendicant and rely on people's help and donations...? Correct me if I'm wrong; I'm not sure about that :) But the beauty and SILENCE of the countryside is so wonderful!!! ...so conducive to the contemplative life!!! (in my opinion) :) I visited the Elysburg, PA, Carmel this past summer for a couple days...and it's actually pretty out in the sticks! yay! But it seems to me to be an exception to the rule...

(excuse the rant!) :) Any info on this community will be greatly appreciated!! God bless!

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OnlySunshine
[quote name='Amy G.' timestamp='1299189007' post='2217591']
Thanks for the beautiful photos!

Does anyone know if this community is in line with Rome?

Also - does anyone have more info on their charism? What does it mean that they are based on the secret of Fatima? Do they have any Carmelite influence? What are some of their ascetic practices (what makes them one of the strictest communities)?

Thanks for the info! I'm hoping to visit a Carmelite monastery in France over Easter break...so I might consider stopping over to visit them, si Dieu le veut! :)

One thing that I find a little frustrating about the monastery of the Victims of the Sacred Heart and many Carmelite monasteries -- they're in the middle of cities! I think I remember reading that St. Teresa of Avila wanted her monasteries to be in/near cities or towns so that they would be near the people...maybe this is because they are technically mendicant and rely on people's help and donations...? Correct me if I'm wrong; I'm not sure about that :) But the beauty and SILENCE of the countryside is so wonderful!!! ...so conducive to the contemplative life!!! (in my opinion) :) I visited the Elysburg, PA, Carmel this past summer for a couple days...and it's actually pretty out in the sticks! yay! But it seems to me to be an exception to the rule...

(excuse the rant!) :) Any info on this community will be greatly appreciated!! God bless!
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I believe they are in line with Holy Mother Church as the article on the blog states this:

[quote]The Community consists of one monastery, and -- as of 2006 -- 20 Nuns and a few Novices. They are served by [b]Priests of the Fraternity of St Peter[/b], and others celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass according to the 1962 Missale Romanum.[/quote]

The FSSP is in line with Rome. :)

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krissylou
[quote name='Amy G.' timestamp='1299189007' post='2217591']
Thanks for the beautiful photos!

Does anyone know if this community is in line with Rome?

Also - does anyone have more info on their charism? What does it mean that they are based on the secret of Fatima? Do they have any Carmelite influence? What are some of their ascetic practices (what makes them one of the strictest communities)?

Thanks for the info! I'm hoping to visit a Carmelite monastery in France over Easter break...so I might consider stopping over to visit them, si Dieu le veut! :)

One thing that I find a little frustrating about the monastery of the Victims of the Sacred Heart and many Carmelite monasteries -- they're in the middle of cities! I think I remember reading that St. Teresa of Avila wanted her monasteries to be in/near cities or towns so that they would be near the people...maybe this is because they are technically mendicant and rely on people's help and donations...? Correct me if I'm wrong; I'm not sure about that :) But the beauty and SILENCE of the countryside is so wonderful!!! ...so conducive to the contemplative life!!! (in my opinion) :) I visited the Elysburg, PA, Carmel this past summer for a couple days...and it's actually pretty out in the sticks! yay! But it seems to me to be an exception to the rule...

(excuse the rant!) :) Any info on this community will be greatly appreciated!! God bless!
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There is a Carmel near me that is very much inner-city. It was established well over a hundred years ago (#2 Carmel in the United States) when this was already an urban area, but well being an urban area in the 1890s meant something different. Now it's a REALLY bad neighborhood.

And the nuns chose to stay where they are. Is there a place more in need of prayer???

So I TOTALLY hear what you're saying about how it is so much more conducive to the contemplative life to be so far removed ... but I'm SO glad that we have this powerhouse of prayer in the inner city.

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kavalamyself
I really like the pictures, I must say. They are so beautiful! I wish we had one in the United States. Thanks for sharing!
Kavala

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='Studiumecclesiae' timestamp='1299176246' post='2217501']
Look what I've just found!!! Photos dating from 1992. And it's really them, I can recognize the Mother Superior, she was so young!

[url="http://brautdeslammes.blogspot.com/2011/02/seigneur-la-silence-est-votre-louange-2.html?spref=fb"]http://brautdeslamme...2.html?spref=fb[/url]

Enjoy!!!

[i]StudiumEcclesiae[/i]
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Wow, thanks for sharing! Very neat!! Love the double grilles :ninja: ... :smile4:

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Studiumecclesiae
Yes it's in the town but when you get there, it's like another world. They do penance for the world, and by the way, when you get to the parlour, you get lots of words on walls like: "[i][b]Fashions offensive to Our Lord will appear in the world.[/b][/i] " Very intimidating. Other things about mortification, about having a bitter life to get a happy death and so on. I can't remember exactly what is written.
The double grilles are very impressive. They just do the way it used to be. Like in[i] Sponsa Christi[/i] (St Pius XII)

[i]StudiumEcclesiae[/i]

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TradMom
+Praised be Jesus Christ!

The amount of people who have viewed this thread tells me that we as a Church really long for some of what some might consider "old" traditions - especially the habit. There is something so beautiful about these pictures, it's almost as if the holiness were tangible.

Pax,

TradMom

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Studiumecclesiae
[quote name='Amy G.' timestamp='1299189007' post='2217591']
Thanks for the beautiful photos!

Does anyone know if this community is in line with Rome?

Also - does anyone have more info on their charism? What does it mean that they are based on the secret of Fatima? Do they have any Carmelite influence? What are some of their ascetic practices (what makes them one of the strictest communities)?

Thanks for the info! I'm hoping to visit a Carmelite monastery in France over Easter break...so I might consider stopping over to visit them, si Dieu le veut! :)

One thing that I find a little frustrating about the monastery of the Victims of the Sacred Heart and many Carmelite monasteries -- they're in the middle of cities! I think I remember reading that St. Teresa of Avila wanted her monasteries to be in/near cities or towns so that they would be near the people...maybe this is because they are technically mendicant and rely on people's help and donations...? Correct me if I'm wrong; I'm not sure about that :) But the beauty and SILENCE of the countryside is so wonderful!!! ...so conducive to the contemplative life!!! (in my opinion) :) I visited the Elysburg, PA, Carmel this past summer for a couple days...and it's actually pretty out in the sticks! yay! But it seems to me to be an exception to the rule...

(excuse the rant!) :) Any info on this community will be greatly appreciated!! God bless!
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I have actually asked Révérende Mère Supérieure for more details:
The nuns follow [b][size="5"]the Rule of St Augustine[/size][/b]. But they have their own charism and aren't attached to any Order.
Mlle Julie-Adèle de GUERIN-RICARD founded this order because[i][font="Comic Sans MS"] "souls fall in Hell like rain on earth, God isn't loved, known, served ; Christ's heart is torn, his love despised. He asks for REPARATION."
[/font][/i]The institute was founded in 1838 in Marseilles and they haven't moved since. Rev. Father Jean du Sacré-Coeur helped her.

[b][color="#ff0000"]UNA CUM CHRISTO HOSTIA, COR UNUM
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[u][b]the nuns make vows[/b][/u] of [b]POVERTY, CHASTITY, OBEDIENCE[/b] and [b][u]ENCLOSURE[/u][/b].
Postulate - 6 months
Noviciate - 2 years followed by temporary vows
Temporary Profession - 3 years and then perpetual vows

[u][b]Apostolate[/b][/u]: Prayer, Adoration, penance (they have perpetual adoration of the Blessed Sacrament)

[u][b]Books to read[/b][/u]: [i]Le serviteur de Dieu ; le révérend Père Jean du Sacré-Coeur[/i], by R.P. Norbert de Chauffailles O.M.C

[i]Une victime d'amour :[/i] [i]Julie Adèle de Gérin-Ricard, Révérende Mère Marie-Victime de Jésus-Crucifié,[/i] by R.P. Constant de Pélissanne O.M.C

[i]Introduction à la Vie de Victime,[/i] by R.P. Jean du Sacré-Coeur (Manuel des Associés)

I hope it helps! Bless this community!

[i]StudiumEcclesiae[/i]

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