KnightofChrist Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1682831' date='Oct 21 2008, 07:01 PM']HAHAHA. You're kidding, right? Just because that's the name doesn't mean it's really what's going on. China's official name is the "Republic of China" but I don't think anyone actually believes that... And I highly doubt Hitler admired Karl Marx. "Marxism itself systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews."[/quote] We're talking of Party names not State names. The party in China calls itself the Communist Party of China. The party in Nazi Germany called itself the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Hitler and Marx agreed on freeing mankind from the Jews. "[b]We are socialists[/b], we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions" - Adolf Hitler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1682861' date='Oct 21 2008, 05:23 PM']We're talking of Party names not State names. The party in China calls itself the Communist Party of China. The party in Nazi Germany called itself the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Hitler and Marx agreed on freeing mankind from the Jews. "[b]We are socialists[/b], we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions" - Adolf Hitler[/quote] The "socialism" that Hitler was claiming is nothing like the socialism that the far right cries about these days. Germany had a strong private sector and was run by private businesses. Besides that fact, the reason why the right hates socialism is because of the liberal ideals behind it. Hitler's "socialism," if it can even be called that, was anti liberal. "The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood." -Hitler Not to mention, "The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism." -Hitler. My point is that trying to say Obama and his "socialism" make him like Hitler is absurd. The two ideas are nothing alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1682873' date='Oct 21 2008, 06:32 PM']The "socialism" that Hitler was claiming is nothing like the socialism that the far right cries about these days. Germany had a strong private sector and was run by private businesses. Besides that fact, the reason why the right hates socialism is because of the liberal ideals behind it. Hitler's "socialism," if it can even be called that, was anti liberal. "The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood." -Hitler Not to mention, "The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism." -Hitler. My point is that trying to say Obama and his "socialism" make him like Hitler is absurd. The two ideas are nothing alike.[/quote] Nazi Socialism and Marx Socialism where opposed to each other, but they where both in fact Socialist. And I may not saying that Obama and his "socialism" make him like Hitler. I am saying because Obama supports abortion holocaust denying the personhood of the unborn is like Hitlers support of the Nazi holocaust denying the personhood of the Jewish people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1682841' date='Oct 21 2008, 06:08 PM']How in Post #11 do I judge his soul? And who's soul Hitler's or Obama's? I only stated a fact and I was 'careful', I do not believe I am judging his soul in the matter of what I believe you are speaking. I made a correct statement of truth, what made Hitler evil, and he was evil was the fact that he supported the genocide of a group of people because he did not believe in their personhood. Do you not believe that is what made Hitler evil? Is that lesson from history not a good test for other leaders to determine if they should lead a nation?[/quote] I am talking about the poster who said Obama [font="Arial Black"]IS[/font] a Hitler. And i do believe that is what made Hitler evil. Although America has been killing babies before brother Obama got into the presidental race. I pray he opens his eyes to the truth but to say that he is a Hitler, is going overboard and is judgeing his soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1682882' date='Oct 21 2008, 05:38 PM']Nazi Socialism and Marx Socialism where opposed to each other, but they where both in fact Socialist. And I may not saying that Obama and his "socialism" make him like Hitler. I am saying because Obama supports abortion holocaust denying the personhood of the unborn is like Hitlers support of the Nazi holocaust denying the personhood of the Jewish people.[/quote] And the fact of the matter is that I wasn't originally debating you. I was debating princessgianna who said that Obama was Hitler because of his socialist beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1682885' date='Oct 21 2008, 07:40 PM']I am talking about the poster who said Obama [font="Arial Black"]IS[/font] a Hitler. And i do believe that is what made Hitler evil. Although America has been killing babies before brother Obama got into the presidental race. I pray he opens his eyes to the truth but to say that he is a Hitler, is going overboard and is judgeing his soul.[/quote] Brother Obama knows the truth, and he rejects it. Obama like it or not my brother is evil likened to which you agree made Hitler evil. Obama denies the personhood of a group of people and supports their extermination that is a Evil thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1682890' date='Oct 21 2008, 05:44 PM']Brother Obama knows the truth, and he rejects it. Obama like it or not my brother is evil likened to which you agree made Hitler evil. Obama denies the personhood of a group of people and supports their extermination that is a Evil thing.[/quote] Who are you to judge what someone truly "knows?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1682893' date='Oct 21 2008, 06:45 PM']Who are you to judge what someone truly "knows?"[/quote] Using my God given reason based upon the public records of Obama speaking against the Born Alive Protecting act and why he was voting against it. "I just want to suggest ... that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – child, a 9-month-old – child that was delivered to term. … I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional." Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times in October 2004 he opposed BAIPA because "physicians are already required to use life-saving measures when [b]fetuses are [u]born alive[/u] during abortions[/b]." Clearly showing that he understands that if these babies are given personhood after a failed abortion, that it would hurt Roe V Wade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1682901' date='Oct 21 2008, 05:55 PM']Using my God given reason based upon the public records of Obama speaking against the Born Alive Protecting act and why he was voting against it. "I just want to suggest ... that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – child, a 9-month-old – child that was delivered to term. … I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional." Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times in October 2004 he opposed BAIPA because "physicians are already required to use life-saving measures when [b]fetuses are [u]born alive[/u] during abortions[/b]." Clearly showing that he understands that if these babies are given personhood after a failed abortion, that it would hurt Roe V Wade.[/quote] Well, so long as you[i] think [/i]you have a reason. Who am I to question it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1682907' date='Oct 21 2008, 06:59 PM']Well, so long as you[i] think [/i]you have a reason. Who am I to question it?[/quote] Well for the rest of humanity who wants to use their God given reason, they will come to the same conclusion. Those who don't wont. Obama made it clear he knows that a 'fetus' who survives an abortion is "born alive", but voted against the Born Alive Protection Act because it would give personhood to the fetus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1682890' date='Oct 21 2008, 07:44 PM']Brother Obama knows the truth, and he rejects it. Obama like it or not my brother is evil likened to which you agree made Hitler evil. Obama denies the personhood of a group of people and supports their extermination that is a Evil thing.[/quote] Well if he truelly knows the truth then i guess hes ****** pardon my french but i would argue that only God knows the answer to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1682913' date='Oct 21 2008, 08:03 PM']Well if he truelly knows the truth then i guess hes ****** pardon my french but i would argue that only God knows the answer to that[/quote] God does know, but God gave you reason use it. Look at Obama's own words on his defense of voting against the Born Alive Protection Act. Again, Obama made it clear he knows that a 'fetus' who survives an abortion is "born alive", but voted against the Born Alive Protection Act because it would give personhood to the fetus. Edited October 22, 2008 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 ok that is why im not voteing for him. but if he knows 100 percent what hes doing, if you are going to accuse him 110 % of that mortal sin and declare him evil, then you better be praying for his death. or mabey we dont know where he is at and God is still working on him. mabey he still is a brother in christ and has hope. imo hitler was as evil as they came, im not ready to give obama that title. and again, if he was white, would he be given this title ? again, i dont remember the clintons being described this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1682921' date='Oct 21 2008, 08:13 PM']ok that is why im not voteing for him. but if he knows 100 percent what hes doing, if you are going to accuse him 110 % of that mortal sin and declare him evil, then you better be praying for his death. or mabey we dont know where he is at and God is still working on him. mabey he still is a brother in christ and has hope. imo hitler was as evil as they came, im not ready to give obama that title. and again, if he was white, would he be given this title ? again, i dont remember the clintons being described this way.[/quote] I'm not a beaver dam racist and would compare any man or woman at the level of power Obama holds, if they also supported the Genocide of [color="#FF0000"]50,000,000[/color] people. I do not recall if I made these arguments here but I did make the same type of argument about Al Gore, and John Kerry. That they where likened to Hitler's evil. Hitler was white btw, somewhat of a silly thing to bring race up with that in mind. And Hitler was evil but not as evil as Stalin who was a white guy, who had killed millions more. Edited October 22, 2008 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 duh i know hitler was white bro.... but y werent these titles being thrown on hillary or bill ? y arent they being thrown on them now ? their right there supporting obama, what about biden ? i think alot of the heat obama is takeing and the degree of it is because of his race. and mabey he deserves the heat, because he isnt getting it from hardly anywhere else. i would just hate to see an extremeist take it to far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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