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Confession to a priest shouldn’t be needed
Luigi replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Debate Table
Anomaly is correct, but in addition, Jesus gave the power of forgiveness of sins to the apostles; bishops continue the apostolic office; priests have some powers of the apostolic delegated to them, including the forgiveness of sins. The average practicing Catholic doesn't have that authority. Now, if Jesus had wanted to give that authority to the average person, he could have done so somehow or another - at Pentecost, or And from a practical perspective: Once upon a long time ago, I was at a lecture by a priest who was applying for a teaching position in a seminary; he opened his remarks by saying, "I am a moral theologian - we deal in sin." All priests have at least minimal training in moral theology, whereas the average practicing Catholic does not. Sin is a complex topic, much more than simply venial vs. mortal. There are 'reserved cases' that even the average priest can't forgive. Those have to be referred to higher authorities, sometimes as high as Rome. Knowing how to fit the penance to the sin, knowing the penitents' state of life and the concomitant responsibilities (could a lay person administer Reconciliation to a priest? a bishop? a doctor?), knowing what to say to the penitent, being able to recognize contrition - administering the sacrament of Reconciliation takes a lot of pastoral skill. So lay people can forgive each other for personal offenses and/or social offenses, but as Anomaly pointed out, real sins are offenses against God. Therefore, God - or his duly authorized representative/minister - needs to forgive those. -
Confession to a priest shouldn’t be needed
Anomaly replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Debate Table
Looking back at your initial post, I realized I didn’t comprehend you original post well. You are challenging the use of the priest. Catholics call confession “Reconciliation”. You are repairing a relationship. Sins all sins are an affront against God, you need to reconcile with Him, and know you are okay. It’s a rich action. More than a sorry, and everyone forgets all about it. It’s sorry, can you help me do better, with a response. That’s why a priest is needed. A spokesman on a human level. Not just a kind person to speak kind words. You need a God representative, speaking for God, with assured forgiveness and grace to work with your faith that God is represented by a priest. -
Forgive me, for I have sinned against good nutrition
Anastasia13 replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Open Mic
She is a toddler, and I am a working mom. It’s hit and miss. -
I’ve been in the road/traffic business for forty years. These failures are real problems that cause accidents and impede the flow of traffic. Intersections, merge lanes, and multiple lanes are designed for efficient and safe travel. Please be polite and use the roads as engineered.
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Confession to a priest shouldn’t be needed
Anomaly replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Debate Table
I’m guessing you meant priest, not peristaltic, lol. Luigi answered that. It’s because it’s a sacrament. In Catholic theology, assurance of Gad’s forgiveness is a huge, and weighty action. It’s too important and impactful than to be weiled Willy nilly by anyone. It’s a significant thing to really “know” you have God’s forgiveness. It’s not really limiting God’s forgiveness, but assuring to your forgiveness ‘from God’ is real and effective. It’s also a reminder of grace being granted to grow beyond your imperfections. Assured forgiveness, and grace to help, together as Sacrament. That’s very impactful. What specifically troubles you about Confession? What do you feel is wrong or lacking about how Catholics administer it? Do you think it puts limits on the availability of God’s forgiveness as a means of power or control? -
Confession to a priest shouldn’t be needed
Anastasia13 replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Debate Table
But why is the administrator a peristaltic and not a faithful lay person? - Yesterday
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Confession to a priest shouldn’t be needed
Luigi replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Debate Table
Anomaly said: "You shouldn’t just be considering it as a magic spell to earn heaven. You are called to become better as that is your true nature." That's why it's a sacrament - sacrament are channels of grace, to help us progress in holiness. So the psychological aspects may be beneficial, but they don't necessarily make us holier, whereas the grace derived from the sacrament does make us holier. Another reason - I suppose (I'm no theologian) - you need to confess to a priest is that sacraments are always administered by one person to another. In the case of penance, the administer-er is a priest. -
Forgive me, for I have sinned against good nutrition
Luigi replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Open Mic
It's alright, once in a while, if the child eats reasonably healthy food the rest of the time... -
Confession to a priest shouldn’t be needed
Anomaly replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Debate Table
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. If we hold on to our faults, mistakes, sins, both past and present, it’s very damaging to our psyche. Unless you’re a sociopath, you Carry this guilt and shame. You only can exist and live in the present (while on earth, theologically). Confession is great therapy to acknowledge errors, and look beyond them to who you really are. A worthwhile human with inherent dignity. A great Confession with a good priest, is very real psychological therapy, as well as having the religious aspects. Fundamentally, the deeper theology is about you striving (and struggling) to be the best person you can become, while acknowledging faults and seeking to grow beyond them. You shouldn’t just be considering it as a magic spell to earn heaven. You are called to become better as that is your true nature. As social beings, we aren’t in this alone. We need others help at times. -
Forgive me, for I have sinned against good nutrition
Anastasia13 posted a topic in Catholic Open Mic
Forgive me, for I have sinned against good nutrition and bought my kid McDonalds. -
Confession to a priest shouldn’t be needed
Anastasia13 replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Debate Table
How is confession like CBT? -
Confession to a priest shouldn’t be needed
Anomaly replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Debate Table
Your description of your faith is super interesting. Although I’m a fallen away Catholic, I have deep respect for Catholicism, both as a religion, but philosophically. I was educated at catholic schools, taught faith classes for a few years, etc. I still stay connected through family, reading, etc. It’s a big step to leave Catholicism. Most people leave because they don’t really understand it, or disagree with another’s beliefs about what it is, or how they manifest it in their lives. There is much that can be said to defend confession, theologically, as well as with behavior sciences, and solid philosophy. The theological aspects of forgiveness to get into heaven is pretty technical in detail, but it certainly is healthy as a CBT tool. It’s fantastic for mind and body, so why not your afterlife soul? -
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I actually used this meme at work today.
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Banned for drinking unadulterated coffee
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Banned for drinking adulterated coffee...
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Maybe I should start drinking black coffee... Changes someone noticed
Anastasia13 replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Open Mic
Unadulterated: 🤢 / 🔥 -
Maybe I should start drinking black coffee... Changes someone noticed
fides' Jack replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Open Mic
Anything that requires developing a taste is more sophisticated - and probably healthier for you long-term. "Unadulterated" is right! -
Banned for using the word redundancy
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Maybe I should start drinking black coffee... Changes someone noticed
Luigi replied to Anastasia13's topic in Catholic Open Mic
In my family, everyone drinks their coffee black. When I order a coffee and the server asks "Cream or sugar?," I always answer "Unadulterated!" -
banned for redundancy
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Finally an excuse to be disobedient. But seriously, intereresting implications for unity among apostolic churches, though I still need to read the middle of this. K, bye for tonight.