Women Religious Not Complying With Vatican Study

[Archaeology cat]

I think prayers are in order.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='nunsense' date='25 November 2009 - 07:28 PM' timestamp='1259191733' post='2009453']
I think we do know the motives behind not answering but since we don't share those same feelings, it seems very strange. From things that very liberal (radically so) nuns have told me, they feel that women are oppressed in the Church by the male hierarchy, who deny them their rights (especially the right to ordination but others as well). By refusing to answer the questionnaire, they are saying that they don't recognise the authority behind the request. It is a radical feminist agenda, which seems to be operating on a very non-spiritual level, where things like "rights" and "personal freedoms" and "self-expression" have become the focus instead of serving God through His Church for the praise and glory of His name, no matter what the cost. Basically, they have "lost the plot". But the study is already a success in my eyes, because it has brought all of these attitudes to light, just by their refusal to answer the questions! When engaged in warfare (spiritual or otherwise), it is good to know just who is on your side! Prayers, prayers and more prayers for Our Holy Father during this time of rebellion.
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See this is what ticks me off about these women -if you don't want to be catholic- then get out. Have the courage of your lack of catholic convictions and leave.

[Brother Adam]

In a way this is the Church's own fault. They allowed the dissent to go on, unchecked, for decades. They are reaping the fruits of such dissent. I'm not surprised, and I think, if the Church wants to fix this, it is going to take at least 2 generations to do so. It is too bad to see the state of women's religious orders today and how suspicious faithful Catholics have to be of them.

[Brother Adam]

And I agree with you cmom, the Vatican is welcome here anytime, and if they identify something I am doing wrong, I will humbly make my confession.

[JimR-OCDS]

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Doesn't seem intrusive to me, but the Religious Orders themselves have mission statements and Rule of Life that
they follow, which should be approved by the Pope.

However, there are some religious communities, both men and women, who merely have the local Bishop's approval,
and that can be removed at anytime.


Jim

[CatherineM]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='26 November 2009 - 08:42 AM' timestamp='1259246567' post='2009679']
See this is what ticks me off about these women -if you don't want to be catholic- then get out. Have the courage of your lack of catholic convictions and leave.
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I heard one talk the other day, and she said that the church belongs to them, not the Vatican, and they stay to try to get it to change into what they think it should be.

On a positive note, I got lost the other day, and drove past a convent I hadn't seen before, and spotted a real nun wandering on the grounds, in a habit. The Filipino nuns that work at Catholic Social Services down the street all wear them, but this was a Caucasian nun. Except for foreign nuns, I can't tell you the last time I saw a nun in a habit.

[tinytherese]

I actually think that liberal convents will eventually die out considering that many are known for not attracting many new members. Ironically, orthodoxy in convents is what's really popular for discerners.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='tinytherese' date='26 November 2009 - 10:53 PM' timestamp='1259276009' post='2009898']
I actually think that liberal convents will eventually die out considering that many are known for not attracting many new members. Ironically, orthodoxy in convents is what's really popular for discerners.
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I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. Having a list of which communities complied and which didn't could be a factor for those discerning, too, I imagine.

[AccountDeleted]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' date='27 November 2009 - 06:25 PM' timestamp='1259306700' post='2010179']
I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. Having a list of which communities complied and which didn't could be a factor for those discerning, too, I imagine.
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What, what an absolutely wonderful idea! I think we can safely assume that those who belong to the CMSWR would all comply - but it would be good to have a list!

[AccountDeleted]

I know that I can research this myself, but thought I'd quickly ask if anyone knows the difference between the Apostolic Visitation currently in progress and this Vatican study that we are discussing here (if there is one)? According to the CMSWR site, with a link to the Apostolic Visitors site, things are going well.
http://www.apostolicvisitation.org/en/index.html

There is a video on the Apostolic Visitors site where Mother Clare talks about how things are going, and the questionnaire (part 2) looks like the one that was linked here in this thread. So who knows if this is he same study, or a different one??

Thanks.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='tinytherese' date='26 November 2009 - 05:53 PM' timestamp='1259276009' post='2009898']
I actually think that liberal convents will eventually die out considering that many are known for not attracting many new members. Ironically, orthodoxy in convents is what's really popular for discerners.
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So here's a topic to ponder...what's going to happen when all these convents are left empty? I'm hoping the bishops hand them over to young vibrant dioceses that are growing.

[CatherineM]

Just as long as they don't sell the convents to nightclubs.

[tinytherese]

I thought it was sad how my mom was taught by sisters from elementary school through high school and that eventually the house where the sisters lived was torn down to make a tennis court on that high school campus. No sisters taught me there when that high school became a middle school. Most of the sisters in the community are retired and as far as I know they haven't gotten any new postulants for some time now.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='27 November 2009 - 11:45 AM' timestamp='1259340348' post='2010248']
Just as long as they don't sell the convents to nightclubs.
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These would probably corrupt less Catholics than some wacky nuns. Bars and strippers don't pretend to be sources of Catholic Truth.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='27 November 2009 - 08:57 PM' timestamp='1259373470' post='2010470']
These would probably corrupt less Catholics than some wacky nuns. Bars and strippers don't pretend to be sources of Catholic Truth.
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When I was working in a parish, we once got a call from someone at the local strip club asking when we'd be giving out the ashes on Ash Wednesday.