Donna Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='kafka' date='01 December 2009 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1259707382' post='2012746'] I dont know Canon Law that well either, and it is not like the EF is beyond the current Canon Law. Yet I know the basic fundamentals of how the Magisterium works. This isnt a matter of faith and morals. It is a practice. Even some canon laws have to bow down to love and justice. [/quote] Kafka, you don't understand - love and justice is at the heart of the "practice". It is absolutely about faith and morals, to have only the consecrated hands touching the host, not ours, to receive Jesus on the tongue. This affirms the Real Presence and I believe the Protestant Revolt in the 16th cent. wreaking havoc, was why Pope St. Pius V codified the Latin Mass ("EF") in [i]Quo Primum[/i], and the right of every priest to say it, w/ no scruple or consequence, nor [i]any[/i] authority in the Church allowed to suppress or change [i]Quo Primum[/i] decree or the Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='Donna' date='01 December 2009 - 10:42 PM' timestamp='1259725348' post='2012903'] [i]Quo Primum[/i] [/quote] Apparently I need to wrap my head around this at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Bishop Henry doesn't do hidden agenda. He's the kind that speaks plain, and shoots straight from the hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' date='01 December 2009 - 11:48 PM' timestamp='1259729322' post='2012945'] Bishop Henry doesn't do hidden agenda. He's the kind that speaks plain, and shoots straight from the hip. [/quote] Has anyone said that he does have a hidden agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' date='01 December 2009 - 06:34 PM' timestamp='1259714077' post='2012802'] This is about politics, just not church politics the way everyone seems to think it is. One of my husband's best friends is the director of our archdiocese's pandemic planning. He said the bishop's hands are being tied by the province. [/quote] I desperately, [u]desperately[/u] hope this is the case here. I was thinking to myself that there must be some sort of outside pressure.... in fact I speculated about that with Rexi yesterday. I don't want to believe that Bishop Henry would do this entirely of his own volition. If it's happening in your diocese, it's probably in mine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Happening in Ontario too. My ecclesiastical province is probably being pressured by the Canadian one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='02 December 2009 - 12:14 AM' timestamp='1259730865' post='2012966'] I desperately, [u]desperately[/u] hope this is the case here. I was thinking to myself that there must be some sort of outside pressure.... in fact I speculated about that with Rexi yesterday. I don't want to believe that Bishop Henry would do this entirely of his own volition. If it's happening in your diocese, it's probably in mine too. [/quote] It is sad we are at the point where we are [i]hoping [/i]that our Bishops are simply to weak too resist the state's interference with Liturgy and not outright wacky. No offense to Bishop Henry, I trust your opinion on his orthodoxy, but I doubt a politically weak episcopacy is not much more effective than a liberal episcopacy. Edited December 2, 2009 by Veridicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='01 December 2009 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1259707144' post='2012738'] Does he? I don't know Canon Law that well. Maybe Rexi can source for us..? [/quote] How about sending the matter to the Vatican and await their word instead? After all, this is in response to a health concern. Edited December 2, 2009 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='Veridicus' date='01 December 2009 - 11:17 PM' timestamp='1259731071' post='2012970'] It is sad we are at the point where we are [i]hoping [/i]that our Bishops are simply to weak too resist the state's interference with Liturgy and not outright wacky. No offense to Bishop Henry, I trust your opinion on his orthodoxy, but I doubt a politically weak episcopacy is not much more effective than a liberal episcopacy. [/quote] True, but who knows exactly how much, or what kind of pressure it might be. The Alberta government has a history of being fairly authoritarian. Of course, Bishop Henry did face the possibility of enormous fines and ridiculous restrictions on his rights to speech rather than back down about homosexuality, so I really am at a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='01 December 2009 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1259729908' post='2012952'] Has anyone said that he does have a hidden agenda? [/quote] I was addressing this: [quote]If it really is that his hands are tied because of the stipulations of the Province, than those demands are already being met. It seems more like a power play. I hope that I'm mistaken about that.[/quote] Lawyers are trained to see hidden agendas behind every curtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='Norseman82' date='02 December 2009 - 12:20 AM' timestamp='1259731203' post='2012971'] How about sending the matter to the Vatican and await their word instead? [/quote] Someone has already written to the Vatican about this. The Congregation of Divine Worship responded that it is illicit to forbid Communion on the tongue for any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='02 December 2009 - 12:21 AM' timestamp='1259731277' post='2012973'] True, but who knows exactly how much, or what kind of pressure it might be. The Alberta government has a history of being fairly authoritarian. Of course, Bishop Henry did face the possibility of enormous fines and ridiculous restrictions on his rights to speech rather than back down about homosexuality, so I really am at a loss. [/quote] It's unfortunate in any case. While the issue of homosexuality is a tragic issue of contention; the Liturgy is the source and summit of our Faith and highest form of Christian worship. If the state can interfere with the Liturgy then there is truly no limits to their meddling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 December 2009 - 12:23 AM' timestamp='1259731415' post='2012977'] Someone has already written to the Vatican about this. The Congregation of Divine Worship responded that it is illicit to forbid Communion on the tongue for any reason. [/quote] Salient point. There were no exceptions (including Canadian Provincial politics) in the released response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 [quote name='Veridicus' date='01 December 2009 - 11:26 PM' timestamp='1259731587' post='2012984'] Salient point. There were no exceptions (including Canadian Provincial politics) in the released response. [/quote] The bishop's reply to that was both mysterious and disheartening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Reply to which? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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