Bishop Suspends Ef Mass

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='02 December 2009 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1259788532' post='2013311']
Byzantine Christians (Catholic and Orthodox) receive communion on a golden spoon, and none of the Byzantine Churches I have attended have changed that practice, nor are they likely to do so.
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If only we Latins would follow our liturgical traditions as faithfully as the Byzantines!

[JimR-OCDS]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='02 December 2009 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1259788532' post='2013311']
Byzantine Christians (Catholic and Orthodox) receive communion on a golden spoon, and none of the Byzantine Churches I have attended have changed that practice, nor are they likely to do so.
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Everyone shares the same spoon?

Yuk!

Jim

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='02 December 2009 - 02:42 PM' timestamp='1259790131' post='2013331']
Everyone shares the same spoon?[/quote]
Yep.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='02 December 2009 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1259790131' post='2013331']
Everyone shares the same spoon?

Yuk!

Jim
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Begone in the name of Chris Crocker.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 December 2009 - 02:37 PM' timestamp='1259789859' post='2013329']
If only we Latins would follow our liturgical traditions as faithfully as the Byzantines!
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I'm sure that this bishops ruling will be overturned eventually. The bishop should - if the flu is a real danger - cancel all public worship in his diocese, because if someone has the flu his hands will probably be covered with the virus from blocking coughs and sneezes.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='02 December 2009 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1259790131' post='2013331']
Everyone shares the same spoon?

Yuk!

Jim
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But seriously, we are one body, one body in Christ, and we do not stand alone.

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[Resurrexi]

[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='02 December 2009 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1259790131' post='2013331']
Everyone shares the same spoon?

Yuk!
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I don't think it's gross, and I'm considered a germophobe...

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 December 2009 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1259791037' post='2013342']
I don't think it's gross, and I'm considered a germophobe...
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It might be gross if people slobbered all over it but at the Eastern Liturgies I've participated in the priest just kind of tosses the Eucharist into their mouths without touching the spoon to anything. lulz. I have seen vids where people wrapped their lips around the spoon but I think that was in other countries where people maybe don't care as much. haha

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='02 December 2009 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1259791178' post='2013343']
It might be gross if people slobbered all over it but at the Eastern Liturgies I've participated in the priest just kind of tosses the Eucharist into their mouths without touching the spoon to anything. lulz.
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That has been my experience as well.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='02 December 2009 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1259790131' post='2013331']
Everyone shares the same spoon?

Yuk!

Jim
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But as far as I know, the spoon does not make contact with the mouth; one tilts one's head back and opens wide enough so the Communion is dropped in the mouth, with a cloth spread under one to catch anything that may miss the mouth (at least that is how it was done the one time I received Communion at a Byzantine liturgy).

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Norseman82' date='02 December 2009 - 03:18 PM' timestamp='1259792319' post='2013349']
But as far as I know, the spoon does not make contact with the mouth; one tilts one's head back and opens wide enough so the Communion is dropped in the mouth, with a cloth spread under one to catch anything that may miss the mouth (at least that is how it was done the one time I received Communion at a Byzantine liturgy).
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The communicants in most of the Ruthenian parishes that I have attended (but by no means all of them) tend to do what you describe, but the practice in the majority of Eastern Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches involves putting the lips around the spoon to help avoid spilling the sacramental elements.

[jeffpugh]

I have not seen the spoon sharing in that respect. Nor heard of that. Indeed, I'm sure people would be considerate to abstain from the sacrament when sick anyway. It seems to be common courtesy.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='02 December 2009 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1259788444' post='2013310']
Communion on the tongue is no more or less dangerous than communion on the hand in spreading the flu.
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I do not entirely agree with this statement. I posted on this earlier in this topic; the priest's hands being in proximity to the respiratory droplets exiting the oropharynx of an infected parishioner would, in my medical opinion, pose a greater communicability potential than the act of laying the host in someone's hands. Again, I do not know that there exists any empirical evidence to support either claim; but based on my studies in virology and microbial pathogenesis, I would state anecdotally based upon the transmission mechanism of influenza virus that receiving on the tongue (or on a spoon) poses a greater risk than on the hand.


[quote name='Apotheoun' date='02 December 2009 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1259788444' post='2013310']
So far this year less people have died from the flu than in 2009. There have been a little over 8,000 deaths so far; while in a normal year it is estimated that between 250,000 and 500,000 people die from the flu.
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This is true; the normal flu kills many, many people each year and never elicits this sort of response.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='02 December 2009 - 05:12 PM' timestamp='1259799177' post='2013416']
I do not entirely agree with this statement. I posted on this earlier in this topic; the priest's hands being in proximity to the respiratory droplets exiting the oropharynx of an infected parishioner would, in my medical opinion, pose a greater communicability potential than the act of laying the host in someone's hands. Again, I do not know that there exists any empirical evidence to support either claim; but based on my studies in virology and microbial pathogenesis, I would state anecdotally based upon the transmission mechanism of influenza virus that receiving on the tongue (or on a spoon) poses a greater risk than on the hand. [/quote]
Clearly, you never saw the hands of the boys at the high school I taught at.

That said, if the H1N1 flu is as virulent as the media is reporting, the bishop should suspend all public worship in his diocese, as some of the bishops in Mexico have done.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='02 December 2009 - 01:54 PM' timestamp='1259787264' post='2013298']
But wasn't it addressed to the Bishop?


Jim
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It doesn't sound like it. It sounds like it's addressed to the layperson that notified the CDW that it was being done. Why would it say "The Congregation thanks you for bringing this important matter to our attention. Be assured that the appropriate contacts will be made." to the bishop, if he's the one trying to prohibit communion on the tongue?