Satanism And Blasphemy How Much Is Too Much?

[MIKolbe]

Some general comments....

[quote name='organwerke' date='22 December 2009 - 12:50 PM' timestamp='1261500633' post='2024421']
I don't like Varg's avatar, I don't only think this is a unsensitive provocation but most of all an offense toward his same intelligence.
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Please note it is no longer there.

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='22 December 2009 - 01:12 PM' timestamp='1261501936' post='2024433']
It should only be tolerated if the person respects our beliefs, and is interested in dialog as opposed to taunting us or mocking us. It should never be accepted.
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With all respect, look in the mirror when you say that.


[quote name='Socrates' date='22 December 2009 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1261506315' post='2024470']
The blasphemy posted on here is a childish and pathetic screaming for attention, which I generally ignore, however I think this thread raises some very valid points.
There is indeed a HUGE double-standard on Phatmass, and not one in favor of Christians/Catholics, and this is kind of the elephant in the room which people choose to ignore.

It seems now that on the "phorums," it's got to where the enemies of Christian religion are free to insult and blaspheme to their little hearts' content, while orthodox Catholics must walk on eggshells when they post, lest they be penalized for posting something which might possibly offend the ever-so-delicate sensibilities of Muhammedans, militant homosexuals, Satanists, Onanists, Michael Jackson worshippers, and other fragile souls.

Yeah, I've heard the whole line about "Catholics being held to a higher standard," but this is ridiculous.
I think the Phatmass administration ought to take a hard, serious look at what the purpose of this site is, and whether they are indeed facilitating "Preaching Holy Apostolic Truth."
When one has to slog through lots of moronic anti-Catholic blasphemy and the resultant bickering, it is probably off-putting for a lot of those coming on here to have actual discussion of issues concerning Catholic religion.

(Note: I'm not referring to, say, atheists posting serious intellectual objections to the existence of God, but to posts which have no purpose other than to insult Christ or the Church. Catholics are not allowed to do the same to other religions, so why the double-standard?)

Far too often, it seems the Phatmass administrators serve the sacred cows of political correctness more than Christ.
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Ultimately, you speak from ignorance. You have no idea what/who is warned and what/who is not warned. Generally speaking, you have no idea who is banned or suspended until you realize they are no longer here.

You speak of a double standard as if you know all the facts of everything in all cases reported.

Your pontifications to 'take a serious look at the purpose of this site' need to be directed to dUSt, not 'the admistration'. It's his site.

Your further pontification about, "Phatmass administrators serve the sacred cows of political correctness more than Christ", is not only ignorant; but is kinda rude. Yeah, I know that if I say you are rude I am somehow forcing my polictical correctness onto your rugged individualism; but seriously...do you really have ANY idea what you are talking about when you say something like that? Or do you just like demagogery? Do you know how much anyone serves Christ? Do you know who gets warned and who doesn't? (other than your tear-jerking list of warns which harkens to the ongoing persecution of the non-politcally correct?)


[quote name='Socrates' date='22 December 2009 - 02:40 PM' timestamp='1261507226' post='2024483']
Yes, I agree that Varg's blasphemy and "Satanism" is just childish attention-seeking, which doesn't "do much for me" either.
However, this is supposed to be a Catholic site, dedicated to "preaching holy Catholic Apostolic Truth," and objectively speaking, blasphemy is worse than porn, and far worse than the posting of four-letter vulgarities which result in swift censorship and penalties here. Why should it be tolerated, when much less serious offenses are not?
It's like going to a church, or building dedicated to preaching Christ's truth, and allowing it to be routinely desecrated, while those in charge of the buildings uptake do little about it, and go after "over-zealous" Christians instead.

The issue is not about people disagreeing, it's about posts made to insult God or Christ. I've seen things posted about Jesus Christ which the "moderators" would not for a second tolerate if they had been directed at Mohammed or homosexuals.
The Phatmass administrators either need to re-examine their priorities, or stop calling this site "Catholic."
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First, there is a report button. Use it to defend God if you must. I have gone through alot of the reports and have not found one that even comes close to the reporter reporting on the charge of blasphemy. I will continue to look.

Secondly, as to "The Phatmass administrators either need to re-examine their priorities, or stop calling this site "Catholic."": if it bothers you that much...the sign on the outside of the door that says "enter" also says "exit" on the inside.


[quote name='HisChildForever' date='22 December 2009 - 04:06 PM' timestamp='1261512402' post='2024563']
A few of the Muslims were insulting us left and right, but it was the Christians who were slapped on the wrist.
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You speak as if only 'the Christians' got a slap on the wrist. And again, how do you know this to be true? Why speak out of ignorance? The fact of the matter is you have no idea.

[quote name='Socrates' date='22 December 2009 - 04:13 PM' timestamp='1261512796' post='2024569']
I think that if people are going to get penalized for insulting Mohammed, they should be equally penalized for insulting Jesus. If they get penalized for offending homosexuals or Muslims, they should be equally penalized for insulting the Catholic Church.
Anything else is not Catholic, but politically-correct excrement.
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Firstly, if you want to be more accurate and honest, I would not say people do not get penalized for insulting Mohammed; people get penalized for "Negative Criticism of Other Religions - A post or comment that negatively criticizes (as opposed to constructively criticizes) a different religion."

Secondly, and again, please don't say it doesn't cut both ways. You ignorance is on the subject is on full diaplay when you make a statement like that and ultimately may cause an incident of scandal, and some may wonder why you make those statements when you do not know them to be true.

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='22 December 2009 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1261512896' post='2024570']
A member of this forum called God a rapist, and my comment to him got me banned for a week. It was an honest comment. Look at that, I get banned for my honesty too.
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sounds like one of socrates' fragile souls to me...... and yet, HCF, you have no idea what steps where taken on the other side of the fence, re: the rapist comment. But keep playing your 'poor-me-life-is-so-unfair' card.

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='22 December 2009 - 04:50 PM' timestamp='1261515058' post='2024605']
Regardless, it's still very subjective. And now the position i'm in is that no matter what I say or do, if I anger the wrong person, I'm one click from a ban. That's not fair, especially when a lot of the previous warns were because someone took something the wrong way, not because it was truly offensive. I rarely say things just to offend people.
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If an atheist should know anything...it's that life isn't fair. You're right, you ARE one click from a ban. We all are.


As to KofC's OP, I think it was a decent question, and one that should merit some adult thought and conversation.

Let's try to refocus and act like grown up type people.
Pax,

MIKolbe

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='The One and Only L_D']
Well if you ask me best to keep that under your hat, otherwise whatevermods remain might read that and start issuing warns for abbreviationsagain. [/quote]


hehehe true enough i guess. still, the only time I've seen it happen was with me, and it struck me as a huge double standard that i was selected out of all the people acting the same to get on the chopping block. presumably just because some mods didn't like my recent posting and decided to nail me on a technicality, or maybe they just didnt like my face.

which is somewhat understandable

Edited December 22, 2009 by Jesus_lol

[Varg]

Why aren't non-Christians allowed to use loads of features on this site?

[quote name='organwerke' date='22 December 2009 - 11:50 AM' timestamp='1261500633' post='2024421']
I don't like Varg's avatar, I don't only think this is a unsensitive provocation but most of all an offense toward his same intelligence.
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It's a Viking funeral. Why do you find it insensitive?

Maybe you were referring to the other one, which is understandable.

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='22 December 2009 - 02:24 PM' timestamp='1261509892' post='2024516']
She's right, though... if you draw 'blasphemous' cartoons of mohammed you'll be lynched, but if you draw blasphemous cartoons of Jesus you'll be put in the New York Times.
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That's because Muslims have very different rules of displaying their prophet than Christians.

Edited December 22, 2009 by Varg

[Jaime]

Listen, if you are amongst the camp finding it unfair that there is a double standard, stop whining and get over yourself.

OF COURSE THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD.

Why? Because if you claim to be Catholic and are honestly attempting to defend the faith, you have the advantage of having the Truth on your side. Atheists, muslims, satanists (although i've never seen one show up here EVER), protestants and agnostics are in error. Warning people who say things that are in error is moronic (unless its using vulgarity) Getting pissy because you got warned and the (insert muslim, atheist, protestant here) didn't is also moronic.

People who are in error are going to say wrong things. But I defy anyone to find one place where Jesus got angry at someone because they said something stupid without knowing better. Christ got verbal with folks who should know better. In this realm, that's us. We (the Faithful) know better. We are supposed to be following a double standard. If someone says something blasphemous (and they truly don't believe it to be so) we're supposed to act with charity. And when we don't we SHOULD get warned. (And I'm speaking from personal experience. I've been warned for lack of charity)

The easiest gig in the world is to preach to the choir. Like I said before, if you want to avoid the things being said that are against the faith, go to the Transmundane section. I have yet to see any trolls over there.

Its not the mods being passive or cowtowing to some politically correct mindset. We are going to be called cannibals, idol worshipers, and supporters of genocide. Its the burden of recognizing the Truth.

[Maggyie]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='22 December 2009 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1261519472' post='2024664']
Listen, if you are amongst the camp finding it unfair that there is a double standard, stop whining and get over yourself.

OF COURSE THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD.

Why? Because if you claim to be Catholic and are honestly attempting to defend the faith, you have the advantage of having the Truth on your side. Atheists, muslims, satanists (although i've never seen one show up here EVER), protestants and agnostics are in error. Warning people who say things that are in error is moronic (unless its using vulgarity) Getting pissy because you got warned and the (insert muslim, atheist, protestant here) didn't is also moronic.

People who are in error are going to say wrong things. But I defy anyone to find one place where Jesus got angry at someone because they said something stupid without knowing better. Christ got verbal with folks who should know better. In this realm, that's us. We (the Faithful) know better. We are supposed to be following a double standard. If someone says something blasphemous (and they truly don't believe it to be so) we're supposed to act with charity. And when we don't we SHOULD get warned. (And I'm speaking from personal experience. I've been warned for lack of charity)

The easiest gig in the world is to preach to the choir. Like I said before, if you want to avoid the things being said that are against the faith, go to the Transmundane section. I have yet to see any trolls over there.

Its not the mods being passive or cowtowing to some politically correct mindset. We are going to be called cannibals, idol worshipers, and supporters of genocide. Its the burden of recognizing the Truth.
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Awesome post +1

[BG45]

+1 to the chumpiest mod of all.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='22 December 2009 - 04:36 PM' timestamp='1261517762' post='2024641']
Let's try to refocus and act like grown up type people.
Pax,

MIKolbe
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If I had +1 to give, you'd get it (for all of the post, not just this).

[Laudate_Dominum]

I think that the hands off approach taken by the moderators in the Debate Table is a good thing.

Life isn't fair, but there is a report button. Use it to defend God if you must.

Let's try to refocus and act like grown up type people.

The easiest gig in the world is to preach to the choir. Like I said before, if you want to avoid the things being said that are against the faith, go to the Transmundane section. I have yet to see any trolls over there.

Its not the mods being passive or cowtowing to some politically correct mindset. We are going to be called cannibals, idol worshipers, and supporters of genocide. Its the burden of recognizing the Truth.

Pax.

[Nihil Obstat]

Besides all that, how can we preach holy apostolic Truth if we ban all the tricky cases?

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='22 December 2009 - 04:04 PM' timestamp='1261519472' post='2024664']
Listen, if you are amongst the camp finding it unfair that there is a double standard, stop whining and get over yourself.

OF COURSE THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD.

Why? Because if you claim to be Catholic and are honestly attempting to defend the faith, you have the advantage of having the Truth on your side. Atheists, muslims, satanists (although i've never seen one show up here EVER), protestants and agnostics are in error. Warning people who say things that are in error is moronic (unless its using vulgarity) Getting pissy because you got warned and the (insert muslim, atheist, protestant here) didn't is also moronic.

People who are in error are going to say wrong things. But I defy anyone to find one place where Jesus got angry at someone because they said something stupid without knowing better. Christ got verbal with folks who should know better. In this realm, that's us. We (the Faithful) know better. We are supposed to be following a double standard. If someone says something blasphemous (and they truly don't believe it to be so) we're supposed to act with charity. And when we don't we SHOULD get warned. (And I'm speaking from personal experience. I've been warned for lack of charity)

The easiest gig in the world is to preach to the choir. Like I said before, if you want to avoid the things being said that are against the faith, go to the Transmundane section. I have yet to see any trolls over there.

Its not the mods being passive or cowtowing to some politically correct mindset. We are going to be called cannibals, idol worshipers, and supporters of genocide. Its the burden of recognizing the Truth.
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I understand this, and to a point it does make sense. If this is going to be the policy of PM then so be it. But I think that Catholics understand that they are going to be ridiculed and attacked and the like while out in the world. However, I don't think its necessarily a crazy thought for Catholics to think that they can come to a Catholic forum and be able to seek a reprieve from the world. Its not like we're on a Protestant, or secular forum asking for these privileges. One would think that as Catholics, the administration here would understand the mind of the Catholic members. As Catholics living in an anti-Catholic world it would be good to have a support place where people can go to be strengthened in their faith, and not just subjected to the same things that they experience every day. And I'm not trying to attack PM at all. I've been here since 2003 and really haven't seen a problem like this one until relatively recently, but it does seem to be becoming an issue.

Edited December 22, 2009 by goldenchild17

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='22 December 2009 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1261521554' post='2024685']
Besides all that, how can we preach holy apostolic Truth if we ban all the tricky cases?
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Nothing wrong with debating. But for a debate to progress and actually see improvement some guidelines need to be followed, by ALL sides. There shouldn't be any reason to handicap the Catholics just because they have the truth. Tiger Woods isn't forced to swing with one arm, nor is Michael Jordan made to run on one leg, just because they are the best. We experience one-sidedness enough in the world. Why here too?

Edited December 22, 2009 by goldenchild17

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='22 December 2009 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1261521396' post='2024682']
I think that the hands off approach taken by the moderators in the Debate Table is a good thing.

Life isn't fair, but there is a report button. Use it to defend God if you must.

Let's try to refocus and act like grown up type people.

The easiest gig in the world is to preach to the choir. Like I said before, if you want to avoid the things being said that are against the faith, go to the Transmundane section. I have yet to see any trolls over there.

Its not the mods being passive or cowtowing to some politically correct mindset. We are going to be called cannibals, idol worshipers, and supporters of genocide. Its the burden of recognizing the Truth.

Pax.
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This post was a test. I gleaned a few quotes from posts that got multiple pluses to see if anyone would give me a +1.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='22 December 2009 - 04:45 PM' timestamp='1261521903' post='2024692']
This post was a test. I gleaned a few quotes from posts that got multiple pluses to see if anyone would give me a +1.
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If I had any to give, 99.9% of any pluses I had would go only to you sir

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='goldenchild17' date='22 December 2009 - 05:46 PM' timestamp='1261522016' post='2024697']
If I had any to give, 99.9% of any pluses I had would go only to you sir
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I'm touched.

Bless your heart sir.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='22 December 2009 - 05:47 PM' timestamp='1261522055' post='2024698']
I'm touched.

Bless your heart sir.
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God bless us everyone!