Moosey Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='Pliny' date='04 January 2010 - 08:17 PM' timestamp='1262654251' post='2029787'] Good Points Kafka. If there were reasonable refutations, they should have been presented, instead of snarkiness and personal insults. [/quote] Posts 10 and 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='Pliny' date='04 January 2010 - 08:17 PM' timestamp='1262654251' post='2029787'] If there were reasonable refutations, they should have been presented, instead of snarkiness and personal insults. [/quote] Oh, and like this comment is free from any and all "snarkiness." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilde Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 The reason I'm not responding properly is because I don't understand exactly. Are we not supposed to quote sources for verification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='04 January 2010 - 09:24 PM' timestamp='1262654668' post='2029796'] Oh, and like this comment is free from any and all "snarkiness." [/quote] Depends on how you take it. If you took it as such then I guess it was true, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='04 January 2010 - 08:08 PM' timestamp='1262653707' post='2029778'] And personally I have noticed the same stuff with chatting with my peers at college as well. [/quote] I am without peer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='04 January 2010 - 08:28 PM' timestamp='1262654892' post='2029802'] Depends on how you take it. If you took it as such then I guess it was true, huh? [/quote] LOL wut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='04 January 2010 - 09:28 PM' timestamp='1262654892' post='2029802'] Depends on how you take it. If you took it as such then I guess it was true, huh? [/quote] My snark-dar is beeping like an R2 unit reading this comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='Moosey' date='04 January 2010 - 08:30 PM' timestamp='1262655029' post='2029808'] My snark-dar is beeping like an R2 unit reading this comment. [/quote] Oh let him come into the thread and harp on me. It's fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='04 January 2010 - 09:29 PM' timestamp='1262654965' post='2029806'] LOL wut. [/quote] [img]http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/cache/images/1224688306-641935-400x445-lol_wut.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 A. Some Catholics when discussing matters of the faith excessively quote sources and links whether they be magisterial or from theologians or from other supposed source of authority such as EWTN instead of explaining the Faith in there own words, and/or without explaining the meaning of the quote or link in its context. This supposedly adds weight to their posts when in fact it more times than less shows their ignorance and arrogance. In medieval times it was generally considered arrogant and ignorant to quote other sources when explaining and discussing the Faith. [color="#FF0000"]Have you ever read the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Is that text arrogant and ignorant? You've given one example, hardly enough for such a generalized statement.[/color] B. Some Catholics speak in the name of the Church, in the name of the Magisterium, in the name of the CDF, in the name of the pope, in the name of Aquinas, etc, when they in fact should be speaking in their own name and expressing their own understanding. Again they think that by speaking in the name of the above this adds weight to their argument when in fact it shows their ignorance in not knowing their own place in the Church. [color="#FF0000"]There is nothing wrong with speaking with the mind of the Church. There is less of a chance that you will d&mn yourself.[/color] C. Some Catholic are ignorant of the difference between infallible teachings, non-infallible teachings and fallible teachings. Our understanding of the truths of the Faith either fall into one of these grades and should be treated as such. So when we are arguing and debating a topic which is of theological speculation/opinion which has not been taught infallibly or non-infallibly by the Magisterium one should not weigh in on it as if it is heresy to disagree with the popular theological opinion. [color="#FF0000"]Okay.[/color] D. Some Catholics meddle in all areas of the Faith as if know it alls, when in fact they should only participate in matters they have a clear and mature understanding of. This sort of meddling is arrogant. [color="#FF0000"]lol, wut? The Internet is what it is. People learn through discussion. There is nothing wrong with having a discussion about something you aren't an expert on. [/color] E. Some Catholics glorify the Magisterium and the modern Catechism as if it is these were the only sources of truth when in fact the Magisterium draws from two sources of truth greater than itself namely Tradition (the Deeds of God wrought in history for the salvation of all) and Sacred Scripture (the words written by God in history for the salvation of all). The Catechism is a starting source for the truths of the Faith. The Faith is much more profound and detailed than can possibly be expressed in the modern Catechsim and in fact many Catechisms have been written in salvation history starting with the Didache. So to place to much weight on one would be wrong. [color="#FF0000"]Examples of people putting too much weight on the Catechism, the "sure norm for teaching the faith today" please. I think you are off your rocker. How's that for arrogant.[/color] F. Some Catholics blow certain details and statements of a participant out of proportion instead of focusing on the essence of what the poster is trying to express and forgiving lack of perfection in expression as if the truths of the Faith hinged on one word out of place. [color="#FF0000"]People naturally try to defend themselves when they are losing. We don't like to be wrong. Welcome to the human condition. It's not going to stop, so its best to deal with it and use that behavior when you see it as a way to advance the truth. [/color] G. Some Catholics on the other hand place there own personal opinions over and above Church teaching and undermine the faith by presenting useless and meaningless questions. This happens here especially in the debate table and usually regards matters of morals or passages of Sacred Scripture. H. Some Catholics mistake or supplant their own understanding of the Faith with the Faith itself and so set up their understanding of the Faith as an idol, and unbendable instead of humbly seeking the Truth. [color="#FF0000"]Examples.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 +1 Brother Adam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) The purpose of this thread is to condemn arrogance, yet the very nature of this thread is arrogant. Edited January 5, 2010 by HisChildForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 That is because you disagree. And given that it is from one person's general opinion, so if you disagree at least partly of course you are going to think of it as arrogant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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