Arrogance In Catholic Forums

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Moosey' date='04 January 2010 - 07:34 PM' timestamp='1262651691' post='2029741']
How arrogant
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How judgmental.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='04 January 2010 - 07:35 PM' timestamp='1262651712' post='2029742']
How judgmental.
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How ignorant.

[Moosey]

*punch*

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='04 January 2010 - 07:36 PM' timestamp='1262651767' post='2029743'][quote name='HisChildForever' date='04 January 2010 - 07:35 PM' timestamp='1262651712' post='2029742'][quote name='Moosey' date='04 January 2010 - 07:34 PM' timestamp='1262651691' post='2029741']
How arrogant
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How judgmental.
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How ignorant.
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Sounds like a Catholic Forum in here.

[HisChildForever]

ROFL.

[Moosey]

[HisChildForever]

[Moosey]

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='04 January 2010 - 07:40 PM' timestamp='1262652053' post='2029747']
Sounds like a Catholic Forum in here.
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No it doesn't! And to prove it, I am going to dig up a quote from Pope John XXIII's maid. (Pretty sure that counts as infallible.)

[Hilde]

Edited January 5, 2010 by Hilde

[Winchester]

[quote name='kafka' date='04 January 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1262647484' post='2029678']
I've been participating on Catholic forums now for three or four years and find some trends disturbing and arrogant.

A. Some Catholics when discussing matters of the faith excessively quote sources and links whether they be magisterial or from theologians or from other supposed source of authority such as EWTN instead of explaining the Faith in there own words, and/or without explaining the meaning of the quote or link in its context. This supposedly adds weight to their posts when in fact it more times than less shows their ignorance and arrogance. In medieval times it was generally considered arrogant and ignorant to quote other sources when explaining and discussing the Faith.

B. Some Catholics speak in the name of the Church, in the name of the Magisterium, in the name of the CDF, in the name of the pope, in the name of Aquinas, etc, when they in fact should be speaking in their own name and expressing their own understanding. Again they think that by speaking in the name of the above this adds weight to their argument when in fact it shows their ignorance in not knowing their own place in the Church.

C. Some Catholic are ignorant of the difference between infallible teachings, non-infallible teachings and fallible teachings. Our understanding of the truths of the Faith either fall into one of these grades and should be treated as such. So when we are arguing and debating a topic which is of theological speculation/opinion which has not been taught infallibly or non-infallibly by the Magisterium one should not weigh in on it as if it is heresy to disagree with the popular theological opinion.

D. Some Catholics meddle in all areas of the Faith as if know it alls, when in fact they should only participate in matters they have a clear and mature understanding of. This sort of meddling is arrogant.

E. Some Catholics glorify the Magisterium and the modern Catechism as if it is these were the only sources of truth when in fact the Magisterium draws from two sources of truth greater than itself namely Tradition (the Deeds of God wrought in history for the salvation of all) and Sacred Scripture (the words written by God in history for the salvation of all). The Catechism is a starting source for the truths of the Faith. The Faith is much more profound and detailed than can possibly be expressed in the modern Catechsim and in fact many Catechisms have been written in salvation history starting with the Didache. So to place to much weight on one would be wrong.

F. Some Catholics blow certain details and statements of a participant out of proportion instead of focusing on the essence of what the poster is trying to express and forgiving lack of perfection in expression as if the truths of the Faith hinged on one word out of place.

G. Some Catholics on the other hand place there own personal opinions over and above Church teaching and undermine the faith by presenting useless and meaningless questions. This happens here especially in the debate table and usually regards matters of morals or passages of Sacred Scripture.

H. Some Catholics mistake or supplant their own understanding of the Faith with the Faith itself and so set up their understanding of the Faith as an idol, and unbendable instead of humbly seeking the Truth.

Now I am of course not perfect and guilty to some degree of these things in the past, and I dont want anyone to take this rebuke more than a grain of salt, however this is what I have experience and avoiding the above is now a standard I strive for, so as not to be condemned as a fool and arrogant before Christ.
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I would counter this argument, but you wouldn't understand it.

[Hilde]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='05 January 2010 - 03:04 AM' timestamp='1262653465' post='2029769']
No it doesn't! And to prove it, I am going to dig up a quote from Pope John XXIII's maid. (Pretty sure that counts as infallible.)
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Who knows what does anymore.

[zunshynn]

This thread has unexpectedly turned awesome. I love how the Lord draws good out of everything.

[ThePenciledOne]

+1 if I had it kafka

I think it does us all some good to have a reality check.

And personally I have noticed the same stuff with chatting with my peers at college as well.

[Pliny]

Good Points Kafka.

If there were reasonable refutations, they should have been presented, instead of snarkiness and personal insults.