Arrogance In Catholic Forums

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='05 January 2010 - 03:43 PM' timestamp='1262720604' post='2030292']
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[jkaands]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='05 January 2010 - 02:55 PM' timestamp='1262724924' post='2030329']
Even though we as Catholics have some disagreements, we are unified in all the most important aspects of faith and morals. Although we may feel or look divided when we argue and debate, and although we often lack tact and charity, the bond between us is stronger than any other bond on Earth. Kafka and I, even though we rarely agree on this phorum, are united in the Body and Blood of Christ Our Lord, and I am proud to call him my brother. That's the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism; Protestants have literally nothing to unite them. Catholics have a real spiritual (and, if you like, institutional) bond that cannot be broken except by explicit denial of the faith. This is why the Church is not dying and cannot die. The bond is living and eternal, and at the end of the day I have nothing against any of my Catholic brothers and sisters.
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I disagree about the Protestants. They have a lot to bind them together--their governance, their faith in Jesus, their agreement about most doctrinal issues, such as the nature of the Eucharist and their many differences with Rome--against papal infallibility and the Marian doctrines for example. Many of the groups have united over the years and many more will. Those that don't usually have obstacles such as property and their social past and geography in the way--usually logistical problems. Many are not united but are in communion --the Episcopalians and Evangelical Lutherans, for example.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='05 January 2010 - 03:38 PM' timestamp='1262731086' post='2030403']
if you get a Kindle, you can get the complete works for 99 cents
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I would love to have a Kindle, but I am waiting until they come down in price . . . somewhere around $20.00 would be good.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='jkaands' date='05 January 2010 - 03:59 PM' timestamp='1262732347' post='2030419']
I disagree about the Protestants. They have a lot to bind them together--their governance, their faith in Jesus, their agreement about most doctrinal issues, such as the nature of the Eucharist and their many differences with Rome--against papal infallibility and the Marian doctrines for example. Many of the groups have united over the years and many more will. Those that don't usually have obstacles such as property and their social past and geography in the way--usually logistical problems. Many are not united but are in communion --the Episcopalians and Evangelical Lutherans, for example.
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Eastern Orthodox are also very united. My OCA friends went to, and received the mysteries of confession and communion at, the ROCOR cathedral in San Francisco when they visited me last April. There may be multiple Orthodox jurisdictions in the United States, but all the jurisdictions are nevertheless united in a common profession of the Orthodox faith.

[XIX]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='05 January 2010 - 06:58 PM' timestamp='1262732306' post='2030418']
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[Jaime]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='05 January 2010 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1262732213' post='2030416']
+JMJ+
well, i like actually having a book. i'm a tree waster, i know.
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It looks exactly like a Star Trek datapad

[kafka]

I dont have time to read everyone's points, and I have no need to defend myself. I said take it with a grain of salt, and my words can easily be mistaken if one doesnt find the spirit in which I am posting them.

With regard to the quoting Church documents. I meant it in a certain way, in which people do it.

One more observation I want to make is the whole spirit of the google/internet age where people have information at their fingertips and use it at will in order to substantiate their arguments without either understanding the meaning and or context. Without explaining the meaning and the context, etc. What it seems is happening with the internet community is that we are losing our fundamental grasp of the Faith which is won after many long hard hours in meditation, years of living and practicing the Faith, as well as a good healthy dose of making mistakes in order to begin to arrive at some sort of wisdom and grasp of the Faith where one can explain it in a free way.

The only thing I've taken offense at is at people think I started this thread in retaliation for the canonization thread which is a matter of theological speculation and in which I feel I am correct after having understood this for years now.

In truth these things have been on my mind for a long time now, and I felt it the time and season to complain.

BTW this thread was not started in arrogance. It is humiliating and alienating starting a thread which pisses people off, but I take that upon myself so perhaps we can grow out of ourselves and progress.

I am guilty of those things too so I complain also about myself and strive to be better.

Edited January 5, 2010 by kafka

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='kafka' date='05 January 2010 - 06:33 PM' timestamp='1262734403' post='2030433']
The only thing I've taken offense at is at people think I started this thread in retaliation for the canonization thread which is a matter of theological speculation and in which I feel I am correct after having understood this for years now.
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Arius thought he was correct, too, even though the Church disagreed with him.

[kafka]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='05 January 2010 - 06:41 PM' timestamp='1262734896' post='2030435']
Arius thought he was correct, too, even though the Church disagreed with him.
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did someone mention arrogant?

[Norseman82]

I know for a while here there were complaints about a practice known as "document dumping" in which mountains of source documents were cut and pasted into posts. Now, it is important to have something to back up claims of "the Church teaches X"; however, sometimes the point may be lost somewhere in the middle of the quotation (as well as the fact that sometimes Church documents are written in a style unfamiliar to the average Joey Bagadonuts in the pews). Now, I work in IT and have to deal with multiple areas in accomplishing projects, and clear communication about requirements and problems is the key to getting the job done quickly and correctly, and one of the things in communications training is that you need to get the point across quickly and prominently. So, perhaps limiting the quotations to relevant parts of the source or bolding them, or when providing a link to a source stating "relevant part begins at point X" might help in "cutting to the chase".

[Arpy]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='05 January 2010 - 11:40 AM' timestamp='1262716838' post='2030244']
says the boy with a cat bishop avatar


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Pope Happycat is not the sole point of my posts, so I fail to see how his presence be taken to imply that I am somehow spammish.

[Jaime]

[quote name='kafka' date='05 January 2010 - 06:43 PM' timestamp='1262735017' post='2030437']
did someone mention arrogant?
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You did

and other people mentioned "snarky"

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Arpy' date='05 January 2010 - 08:12 PM' timestamp='1262736742' post='2030446']
[s]Pope Happycat is not the sole point of my posts, so[/s][b] I fail[/b] [s]to see how his presence be taken to imply that I am somehow spammish.[/s][/quote]
iawtc

[kafka]

well when all is said and done I have participated in many forums (this being the last one I participate in) and what I said is what I have observed and experienced, so take it with a grain of salt. At the very worst now I have to practice my own words, so at the very least it will assist me, and I hoped it would assist the rest of us here in our dealings with eachother.

Amen.

[Arpy]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='05 January 2010 - 05:18 PM' timestamp='1262737104' post='2030454']
iawtc
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But you didn't quote any Church documents!