The Four Temperaments

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='10 March 2010 - 06:57 PM' timestamp='1268265468' post='2070616']
Jesus and Our Lady had the perfect temperament... 25% of each, all of the good qualities of each of the four.
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I was told that at OLAM but I don't know if I believe it.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='10 March 2010 - 04:16 PM' timestamp='1268255819' post='2070505']
One problem with personality tests, in my opinion, is that the ones with very specific questions suffer from reporting bias, and the ones with more abstract questions start to become a lot more irrelevant.
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It's not [i]exactly[/i] a personality test. But personally I advocate taking several of them to find out your proportions. I have never taken one that said I was anything but choleric and melancholic, but the proportions can vary from test to test.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='10 March 2010 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1268256189' post='2070513']
Yeah...I took the Myers Briggs once at a leadership retreat in college and it basically said that I was equally introverted and extroverted. I thought that was funny.
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Some people think it's impossible to be a melancholic-sanguine combination because they say you can't be introverted and extroverted at the same time without something being wrong with you. I don't know how I feel about that opinion yet, either.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' date='12 March 2010 - 05:37 PM' timestamp='1268437043' post='2072038']
Some people think it's impossible to be a melancholic-sanguine combination because they say you can't be introverted and extroverted at the same time without something being wrong with you. I don't know how I feel about that opinion yet, either.
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I disagree with that. I consider myself both.

[hoosieranna]

Phlegmatic-melancholic. Not melancholic-phlegmatic, as I do have a sense of humor and am not particularly organized or a perfectionist. I like people more than a "pure" melancholic might, but I need lots of solitude to balance it.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' date='12 March 2010 - 04:37 PM' timestamp='1268437043' post='2072038']
Some people think it's impossible to be a melancholic-sanguine combination because they say you can't be introverted and extroverted at the same time without something being wrong with you. I don't know how I feel about that opinion yet, either.
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I think it's impossible for one's primary and secondary to be a combo of phlegmatic/choleric or sanguine/melancholic, but personally, I do think every person has some of all four.

[dominicansoul]

i'm "melancholic doormat"

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='05 May 2010 - 07:03 PM' timestamp='1273104180' post='2105610']
i'm "melancholic doormat"

[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif[/img]
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Really DS? I don't see you as a doormat at all. Or, if you have that side, it doesn't show online (at least to me).

That's the other thing about these tests, we can say we are melancholic, or choleric, or whatever, but how we present ourselves online is probably at least partly correct, but I'd suspect that most of us have other dimensions that don't show up in our online persona. On the other hand, some people would say we are often more "ourselves" online, because of the relative anonymity, and because what we say online is unlikely to the other "real" parts of our lives--jobs, family, school, etc.
What this shows about me is that I was a consultant for two long. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif[/img] I usually see at least two sides of a question, often more. For me, that's not a bad thing, because I have often been too dogmatic in the past, and I'm finally beginning to balance out.

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='05 May 2010 - 09:22 PM' timestamp='1273105376' post='2105618']
Really DS? I don't see you as a doormat at all. Or, if you have that side, it doesn't show online (at least to me).

That's the other thing about these tests, we can say we are melancholic, or choleric, or whatever, but how we present ourselves online is probably at least partly correct, but I'd suspect that most of us have other dimensions that don't show up in our online persona. On the other hand, some people would say we are often more "ourselves" online, because of the relative anonymity, and because what we say online is unlikely to the other "real" parts of our lives--jobs, family, school, etc.
What this shows about me is that I was a consultant for two long. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif[/img] I usually see at least two sides of a question, often more. For me, that's not a bad thing, because I have often been too dogmatic in the past, and I'm finally beginning to balance out.
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One of my good friends says she is melancholic/phlegmatic, but I am CONVINCED she's really a choleric/sanguine. This pretty much boggles my mind. She's one of the [i]most [/i]sanguine people I know. (Which are [i]very[/i] few.}

My only "conclusion" would be that she's just SUPER-virtuous and "hides" all the "bad" parts of the melancholic/phlegmatic temperaments and makes up with extra "good" parts of the choleric/sanguine. Especially the sanguine.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I took this a month or two ago. I'm 98% melancholic and 2% choleric.

Upon further research, I found that it really has a lot to do with our emotional reactions to stimuli, namely the speed of response and the duration of response.

[b][u]Sanguine[/u][/b]
[b]Speed of Response:[/b] [i]Quick[/i]
[b]Duration of Response:[/b] [i]Short[/i]

[b][u]Phlegmatic[/u][/b]
[b]Speed of Response:[/b] [i]Slow[/i]
[b]Duration of Response:[/b] [i]Short[/i]

[b][u]Choleric[/u][/b]
[b]Speed of Response:[/b] [i]Slow[/i]
[b]Duration of Response:[/b] [i]Long[/i]

[b][u]Melancholic[/u][/b]
[b]Speed of Response:[/b] [i]Quick[/i]
[b]Duration of Response:[/b] [i]Long[/i]

That way, any internal or external stimuli, something someone says, something we think of, something we read, etc., we can predict to a fair degree of accuracy our predisposition according to these patterns.

There's a speaker on the topic out there (I don't know his name, a friend told me about him) who put it this way: "say you're trying to hang a picture. A sanguine hangs it and then tries to make it all pretty. A Melancholic spends forever trying to figure out precisely where to hang it. A Choleric takes the nail and just hangs the darn thing. A Phlegmatic will watch you hang it from the couch."

I have found the temperaments to be dead-on in my own life.

Ironically, I'm happy about being melancholic. I know I can't do much to change my predisposition, but it does help me understand my gifts and my crosses better. I find that when I force myself to get outside and take a walk alone, it helps me a lot to get away from all the clutter of life (which I really hate but usually can't avoid).

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Hilde' date='10 March 2010 - 03:55 PM' timestamp='1268250902' post='2070445']
Melancholic
97%

Choleric
3%



Eyore?
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No wonder you and I get along. We're almost the identical temperament.

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='Raphael' date='06 May 2010 - 11:07 AM' timestamp='1273154824' post='2105832']
I took this a month or two ago. I'm 98% melancholic and 2% choleric.

Upon further research, I found that it really has a lot to do with our emotional reactions to stimuli, namely the speed of response and the duration of response.

[b][u]Sanguine[/u][/b]
[b]Speed of Response:[/b] [i]Quick[/i]
[b]Duration of Response:[/b] [i]Short[/i]

[b][u]Phlegmatic[/u][/b]
[b]Speed of Response:[/b] [i]Slow[/i]
[b]Duration of Response:[/b] [i]Short[/i]

[b][u]Choleric[/u][/b]
[b]Speed of Response:[/b] [i]Slow[/i]
[b]Duration of Response:[/b] [i]Long[/i]

[b][u]Melancholic[/u][/b]
[b]Speed of Response:[/b] [i]Quick[/i]
[b]Duration of Response:[/b] [i]Long[/i]

That way, any internal or external stimuli, something someone says, something we think of, something we read, etc., we can predict to a fair degree of accuracy our predisposition according to these patterns.

There's a speaker on the topic out there (I don't know his name, a friend told me about him) who put it this way: "say you're trying to hang a picture. A sanguine hangs it and then tries to make it all pretty. A Melancholic spends forever trying to figure out precisely where to hang it. A Choleric takes the nail and just hangs the darn thing. A Phlegmatic will watch you hang it from the couch."

I have found the temperaments to be dead-on in my own life.

Ironically, I'm happy about being melancholic. I know I can't do much to change my predisposition, but it does help me understand my gifts and my crosses better. I find that when I force myself to get outside and take a walk alone, it helps me a lot to get away from all the clutter of life (which I really hate but usually can't avoid).
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One of my friends got the exact same score as you, and like you, he's pretty happy about it, too.

Also, I literally laughed out loud reading that hanging-a-picture analogy. That is [i]perfect[/i].

This is my problem as a choleric/melancholic trying to hang pictures: First, I do a quick assessment of my available space, decide on a spot, then take the nail and hang the darn thing. After that I spend a good deal of time wondering if I really hung it in the [i]perfect [/i]spot. If I did not, regret follows. Then I repeat the process.

Hmm... that happens when I move furniture around, too.

Ah, and thank you for that chart! Very insightful!

I've found the temperaments to be spot on in my life as well.

[Nihil Obstat]

I can't find a single temperament or combination of two that appears to capture me. That irritates me.

[Hilde]

[quote name='Raphael' date='06 May 2010 - 05:10 PM' timestamp='1273155009' post='2105834']
No wonder you and I get along. We're almost the identical temperament.
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Yay for us

I really identify with what it said in the ebook about the melancholic. Like the part about giving responses. I absolutely hate it when we are given a question in class that we are to immediately discuss in groups. Even with long pondering I may feel my response isn't adequate or descriptive enough, or that it's either imbalanced in its parts or may come off as one-sided because well..if I'm being attacked I'm defensive. That's a frustration I have, but there are good parts to being a melancholic too, like the perniciousness, the philosophizing and not easily swayed by emotion.

I got to admit I don't know much about the choleric. Maybe I'll read about it sometime, I'm 3% after all

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Hilde' date='06 May 2010 - 03:43 PM' timestamp='1273175022' post='2105971']
but there are good parts to being a melancholic too, like the [i]perniciousness[/i], the philosophizing and not easily swayed by emotion.
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Are you sure you're using the right word in English?