Providing Passover Boxes To Jews In Russia

[Veridicus]

[url="https://secure2.convio.net/ifcj/site/SPageNavigator/eng/support/100223_appeal?s_src=HM_UT1&s_subsrc=EGL1003XXEXXX"]International Fellowship of Christians & Jews[/url]

I've seen these commercials on the television and I've been thinking a bit about it. I know in another thread people were discussing the morality of Catholics to re-enact Seder Meals, etc.

My question for discussion: is it a good thing to provide money [u][i]specifically [/i][/u]to help non-Catholics practice a non-Catholic faith tradition?

Edited March 12, 2010 by Veridicus

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I would say no and that the money would be better spent paying for evangelization materials.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Raphael' date='11 March 2010 - 07:17 PM' timestamp='1268356630' post='2071417']
I would say no and that the money would be better spent paying for evangelization materials.
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I agree.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='11 March 2010 - 07:47 PM' timestamp='1268354875' post='2071401']
[url="https://secure2.convio.net/ifcj/site/SPageNavigator/eng/support/100223_appeal?s_src=HM_UT1&s_subsrc=EGL1003XXEXXX"]International Fellowship of Christians & Jews[/url]

I've seen these commercials on the television and I've been thinking a bit about it. I know in another thread people were discussing the morality of Catholics to re-enact Seder Meals, etc.

My question for discussion: is it a good thing to provide money [u][i]specifically [/i][/u]to help non-Catholics practice a non-Catholic faith tradition?
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No, only would it be not good, I think it would be extremely immoral and condemnable.

[Marie-Therese]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='12 March 2010 - 02:10 PM' timestamp='1268421039' post='2071934']
No, only would it be not good, I think it would be extremely immoral and condemnable.
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Rex, you're the only person I know who would use the phrase 'immoral and condemnable' immediately followed by a smiley face.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='12 March 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1268421979' post='2071937']
Rex, you're the only person I know who would use the phrase 'immoral and condemnable' immediately followed by a smiley face.
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Exactly what I was just thinking.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='12 March 2010 - 02:10 PM' timestamp='1268421039' post='2071934']
No, not only would it be not good; I think it would be extremely immoral and condemnable.
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Fixed.

[LadyOfSorrows]

Pssst...may I contribute? As a Hebrew Catholic and completed Jew, I feel like many things are being overlooked here...

Passover is a feast in the Jewish religion that even Jesus celebrated (as well as Our Blessed Mother)! The feast of Passover does not conflict with Christianity in any way. It wouldn't even be terrible if Christians decided to observe this feast.

Now, I don't really know too much about this organization, but I have seen the commercials as well and I'm pretty sure the Jews will know where this meal is coming from...or at least the name of the organization. What a witness this is! THIS is why we are Christians! We [b]love![img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/love.gif[/img] [/b]We give to the needy! This is why we have many converts, such as myself.

I remember when I was beginning my faith journey, some of the most influential Catholic individuals (who were beautiful witnesses to me!) understood the beauty of the Jewish roots...of Jesus's roots! Remember, Jesus belonged to the Mother religion. I can guarantee they didn't call me pagan and hand me a pamphlet when I lit a candle for a Jewish feast. And if they had lent me a dollar for that candle? Were they putting down the Catholic faith for supporting my bit of happiness? No, they were promoting it.

When you learn how to love, you learn the true meaning of being a Christian. And you know what? It's contagious. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]

Evangelization begins with love of every son or daughter of the King, as you well know.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/grouphug.gif[/img]

PS- I know these posts are old...but I couldn't help but respond :-) Hope everyone has been doing well over the past months.

Edited August 8, 2010 by LadyOfSorrows

[MithLuin]

Thank you for your response [b]Lady of Sorrows[/b]. I think there is sometimes a tendency to get caught up in legalism and forget what the rules are actually about.

Meaning, promoting some sort of pagan religion wouldn't be very compatible with Christianity, but recognizing the faith of Judaism as the faith of Jesus is rather important. It would be to be adrift without any historicity to ignore that, to ignore the covenant God (yes, [i]our[/i] God, [i]the[/i] God...GOD) made with Abraham and Moses. It would be a strange disconnect to put a huge emphasis on apostolic succession, with how our Church has this direct line back to the first century AD...and yet not recognize that the history of our Church continues to go back through history - the history of the Jewish people.

I am more interested in learning about the seder meal than in celebrating it myself, but helping others to celebrate a religious tradition that is meant to give honor and glory to God in a valid and correct way (God never breaks his covenants)...sounds like a good idea to me!

Mother Teresa didn't even take the pagan statues down from her original Home for the Dying after it was donated to her (it was an old pilgrim house for the Hindu temple next door), knowing that they would be important to the people she was serving (very few people in Calcutta are Catholic). Because of that detail (among others) she was able to convince the people that she was sincerely caring for the needs of the poorest of the poor, not simply trying to convert the vulnerable on their deathbeds. Her ministry has been a beautiful witness to the faith, and she has overcome much distrust to bring people to Jesus.

Would I make the choices she did? Probably not. But I am able to recognize that she is a saint, and maybe she knows more about the love of God than I do. Or maybe, despite her mistakes, God was able to use her love as a witness anyway. Whichever way you look at it, it's difficult for me to pass judgment on those who sincerely try to live out Our Lord's command to love our neighbor.

Doesn't mean you have to donate to this particular charity. You can always help flood victims in Pakistan. CRS is there, of course, and doesn't seem too concerned that most Pakistanis are Muslim.

[Resurrexi]

The Passover was but a shadow of the most holy Sacrament of the Altar. Why fall back into shadows?

[LadyOfSorrows]

Thank you, [b]Mith Luin! [/b]Mother Teresa is a wonderful example...she even went to far as to make it a point not to proselytize. She knew God would show them that we are indeed Christians by what? By our love. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol_roll.gif[/img] And look at the outcome...


[quote name='Resurrexi' date='08 August 2010 - 12:21 PM' timestamp='1281288090' post='2154154']
The Passover was but a shadow of the most holy Sacrament of the Altar. Why fall back into shadows?
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Well is this was the case, why even have Old Testament readings at Mass? They are not a shadow, but a precurser of what is to come. Without reading the Old Testament, it's impossible to understand why Jesus coming at that particular time that He did was so important, and why the Jews reacted the way they did to His coming. Plain and simple, without the Old Testament, there wouldn't be a New Testament. Without Passover, we wouldn't have the Eucharist.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohno.gif[/img]

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Raphael' date='11 March 2010 - 07:17 PM' timestamp='1268356630' post='2071417']
I would say no and that the money would be better spent paying for evangelization materials.
[/quote]
I agree.

[Jaime]

[quote name='LadyOfSorrows' date='08 August 2010 - 02:34 PM' timestamp='1281292441' post='2154181']
Thank you, [b]Mith Luin! [/b]Mother Teresa is a wonderful example...she even went to far as to make it a point not to proselytize. She knew God would show them that we are indeed Christians by what? By our love. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol_roll.gif[/img] And look at the outcome...




Well is this was the case, why even have Old Testament readings at Mass? They are not a shadow, but a precurser of what is to come. Without reading the Old Testament, it's impossible to understand why Jesus coming at that particular time that He did was so important, and why the Jews reacted the way they did to His coming. Plain and simple, without the Old Testament, there wouldn't be a New Testament. Without Passover, we wouldn't have the Eucharist.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohno.gif[/img]
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Blessed Teresa of Calcutta said "I love all faiths but I'm in love with my own"

[Resurrexi]

The Church teaches that that rituals of the Old Law cannot now be observed without the loss of salvation.

"It [the Holy Roman Church] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosiac law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord's coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; [. . .] after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation." (Ecumenical Council of Florence: Denzinger 712)

[LadyOfSorrows]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='08 August 2010 - 02:24 PM' timestamp='1281295499' post='2154201']
The Church teaches that that rituals of the Old Law cannot now be observed without the loss of salvation.

"It [the Holy Roman Church] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosiac law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord's coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; [. . .] after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation." (Ecumenical Council of Florence: Denzinger 712)
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I'm looking through the thread to find out where anyone said the Old Law should be observed. It's important to [i]understand[/i] the Old Law to see how it influences the New Law.

And never should love be refused.