Is This Actually At Steubenville?

[Shana]

Has anyone read [u]Sober Intoxication of the Spirit [/u]by Fr. Cantalamessa, who was preacher to the papal household for JPII? Seriously people, there is nothing wrong with the charismatic movement. Perhaps there have been abuses to the Mass or a sloppy job integrating it in some cases but seriously now... this is very dissapointing.

Edited April 16, 2010 by Shana

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='15 April 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1271376265' post='2094349']
It's okay... it was an organic development.
[/quote]

she shoots and scores! for the win

[jeffpugh]

I suppose I am charismatic in the sense that my outpouring of joy is through music, my glossolalia is Gregorian chant.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='15 April 2010 - 07:14 PM' timestamp='1271376858' post='2094355']
I suppose I am charismatic in the sense that my outpouring of joy is through music, my glossolalia is Gregorian chant.




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[size="1"][IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/like.gif[/IMG] [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showuser=8635"]Mister Ed[/url] likes this.[/size]

[Apotheoun]

A good text to read on the spiritual life, especially as it concerns avoiding the pitfalls of emotionalism and sensationalism, is the [url="http://www.amazon.com/Philokalia-Complete-Compiled-Nikodimos-Markarios/dp/0571130135"]Philokalia[/url], a collection of patristical and mystical writings popular in the Eastern Churches.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='15 April 2010 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1271376075' post='2094346']
I agree, the video just depicts the ongoing disintegration of the Roman Rite's liturgy. My other comments were not directed at the video [i]per se[/i], but at the theology / ideology that forms the foundation of the Charismatic movement. That is why I apologized to Zunshynn for hijacking her thread.
[/quote]

I really don't care if people get together on their own time and dance and sing praises to the Lord - King David did. I also don't care if people raise their hands in prayer. The disintegration of the Roman Rite's liturgy has more to do with the Novus Ordo and its implementation since VII than with the charasmatic movement. For me the CM liturgies are an 'end' not a 'cause'. After long discussions with those connected to Ralph Martin and other national leaders (his daughter is our oldest's godmother) I have suspended judgment on the legitimacy of the gifts as expressed at FUS other than to say I believe most of it is emotionally driven - neither evil or of the Holy Spirit.

Edited April 16, 2010 by Brother Adam

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='15 April 2010 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1271377212' post='2094362']
I really don't care if people get together on their own time and dance and sing praises to the Lord - King David did. I also don't care if people raise their hands in prayer. The disintegration of the Roman Rite's liturgy has more to do with the Novus Ordo and its implementation since VII than with the charasmatic movement. For me the CM liturgies are an 'end' not a 'cause'. After long discussions with those connected to Ralph Martin and other national leaders (his daughter is our oldest's godmother) I have suspended judgment on the legitimacy of the gifts as expressed at FUS other than to say I believe most of it is emotionally driven - neither evil or of the Holy Spirit.
[/quote]

Maybe you didn't catch it but the footage in that video was not entirely outside of the liturgy. It included Mass and Benediction.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='15 April 2010 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1271377420' post='2094363']
Maybe you didn't catch it but the footage in that video was not entirely outside of the liturgy. It included Mass and Benediction.
[/quote]

No one was dancing at Mass. I went to Franciscan, and am still a student there (distance ed).

Edited to add: You are also watching the charismatic conference - that's about as extreme as it gets and almost no students go. The FOPS are also attended only by some students. I went to Mass on campus at least once a week, usually in the morning when I couldn't make St. Peters during the week. Their Mass is relatively low key and you may see one or two people raise their hands. Apart from that their Masses are more traditional than 80% of the Masses I have been to apart from FUS.

Edited April 16, 2010 by Brother Adam

[Totus Tuus]

I'm not sure why you would be crediting anything by an organization that puts out anything smelling of the title, "Vatican II: The Best Council the Protestants Ever Had." Clearly, CLEARLY, respect for Holy Mother Church is not very high on their priority list...

...so whatever anyone may think of the [i]Catholic Charismatic Movement[/i] -- not Pentecostalism, which the video falsely claims this is -- they should reexamine their motives for disagreeing with it and rethink where their hearts truly are.

I don't think these kinds of movements have anything to do with defending the Church. They have to do with pride.

Edited April 16, 2010 by Totus Tuus

[Laudate_Dominum]

I nominate Mr. Ed as the next infallible supreme pontiff of phatmass. That way we could just say that he's right and anyone who disagrees with him is wrong. That would simplify matters anyway.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' date='15 April 2010 - 06:30 PM' timestamp='1271377858' post='2094366']
I'm not sure why you would be crediting anything put out by an organization that begins and ends their videos with, "Vatican II: The Best Council the Protestants Ever Had." Clearly, CLEARLY, respect for Holy Mother Church is not very high on their priority list...
[/quote]

I didn't say I held whoever put the video out in any kind of esteem. I asked if the footage was actually at FUS. There's a pretty big difference.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='15 April 2010 - 08:36 PM' timestamp='1271378185' post='2094372']
I didn't say I held whoever put the video out in any kind of esteem. I asked if the footage was actually at FUS. There's a pretty big difference.
[/quote]
Precisely. And all I sought to do was confirm the legitimacy of said video.

As to the debates on this thread, I submit to the teachings of Mr. Ed.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='15 April 2010 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1271377212' post='2094362']
I really don't care if people get together on their own time and dance and sing praises to the Lord - King David did. I also don't care if people raise their hands in prayer.[/quote]
I agree. If a person wants to hop on one foot while praying in his own home . . . as foolish as that is, I am okay with it.

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='15 April 2010 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1271377212' post='2094362']
The disintegration of the Roman Rite's liturgy has more to do with the Novus Ordo and its implementation since VII than with the charasmatic movement. For me the CM liturgies are an 'end' not a 'cause'. After long discussions with those connected to Ralph Martin and other national leaders (his daughter is our oldest's godmother) I have suspended judgment on the legitimacy of the gifts as expressed at FUS other than to say I believe most of it is emotionally driven - neither evil or of the Holy Spirit.[/quote]
Again, I basically agree with your position. But I do believe that the Charismatic movement exacerbates an already bad situation, and thus makes it many times worse.