Songwriter Gets Death Threat For Criticizing Working Women Fatwa

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='17 May 2010 - 10:18 AM' timestamp='1274105882' post='2111852']
[s]Seems like most of this thread[/s] Hassan is focused on HCF herself, instead of the Fatwa against the songwriter. If you can't attacked the message attack the messenger, I suppose.
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Fixed.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hassan' date='18 May 2010 - 12:09 AM' timestamp='1274155773' post='2112540']
Well what is being rude to someone if it's not insulting, directly or indirectly? I don't get your reasoning. You are for some reason always being identified called out for these behavior issues, yet you are totally innocent of this charge. You have never insulted the character of another. Despite the apparent consistent impression to the contrary that all those people who unfairly target you seem to have.

I'm not trying to ground you down, I guess I'm just completely baffled thrown at how you reason this internally. [/quote]

My intention is never to insult a person, period. If someone interprets a post in that way, then of course they are going to claim I am attacking their character.

[quote] And this is a great example of the dissonance you consistently show when evaluating other people's behavior against your own. You detest that I am misinterpreting your intentions and unfairly assigning motivations to someone I don't truly know, yet here you do the exact thing to me. Literally one sentence after your complaint it is there. You won't have anyone assess your motives and intentions but you have no hesitancy in doing just this to someone else. [/quote]

This conclusion would be logical if you had not broken up my paragraph. Shortly after that sentence I clearly stated "and do correct me if I have interpreted that wrongly".

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='18 May 2010 - 12:11 AM' timestamp='1274155879' post='2112544']
Fixed.
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Yes, very bizarre that I am now reduced to defending and explaining my person.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='18 May 2010 - 12:19 AM' timestamp='1274156385' post='2112559']
My intention is never to insult a person, period. If someone interprets a post in that way, then of course they are going to claim I am attacking their character.



This conclusion would be logical if you had not broken up my paragraph. Shortly after that sentence I clearly stated "and do correct me if I have interpreted that wrongly".
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I guess this is an example of what I mean. I am trying to offer an olive branch and I feel like yet again it is unacknowledged and there is no interest in pursuing it, from you or KoC. Not saying that's the case. But that is how it comes off.

[Jesus_lol]

i think its about high time some people kissed and made up.


or given current circumstances, maybe just shook hands.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hassan' date='18 May 2010 - 12:25 AM' timestamp='1274156728' post='2112565']
I guess this is an example of what I mean. I am trying to offer an olive branch and I feel like yet again it is unacknowledged and there is no interest in pursuing it, from you or KoC. Not saying that's the case. But that is how it comes off.
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You have turned my thread into a psychoanalysis of my person. Am I supposed to be happy or appreciative? I have been forced into a spotlight I never asked for, and quite frankly this intense focus on my person is completely inappropriate.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='18 May 2010 - 12:33 AM' timestamp='1274157228' post='2112571']
i think its about high time some people kissed and made up.


or given current circumstances, maybe just shook hands.

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The offer for prayer was even better, but I guess it wasn't good enough, and instead of moving on, we're still focused on HCF's character.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='18 May 2010 - 12:35 AM' timestamp='1274157345' post='2112576']
The offer for prayer was even better, but I guess it wasn't good enough, and instead of moving on, we're still focused on HCF's character.
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It is only acceptable to scrutinize one's character on Phatmass if it's mine being scrutinized. Or yours for that matter. I'm glad that my trip is right around the corner because honestly I no longer feel welcomed on this site.

[charleseherring]

[quote name='Hassan' date='16 May 2010 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1274043401' post='2111528']
There is not a central teaching that is "Islam". I have argue this many times and taken exception to attempts by individuals here to treat Islam as a monolithic ideology. There are, however, ideological factions, for lack of a more appropriate term, within the general aggregate of ideologies which we describe as 'Islam' and these ideological factions, generally, have concrete, defined teachings.

HCF does not grant that point, generally. Or at least she does not speak as though she admits that point.

I'm about to off on a tangent about other problems with her methodology but that is enough to make my point which is this.

The point about causality stands because her attempt to establish is with Muslims goes only so far as demonstrating the expressed intent of the individual, and does not check it against that ideological faction to which they belong. Her methodology of establishing causality is what I take issue with and that would stand even if applied to Protestantism. Yes, there are many divergent sorts of protestantism, but most of those particular sects have definite teachings of their own.

If they belong to the Sunni mainstream, then there is quite a bit to check it against as Sunni Orthodoxy has had a general stability of teachings and does recognize a central authority in the collective pronouncements of the Ulema. Most disagreements are of fairly banal matters. If certain prayers can be merged together in extraordinary circumstances et cetera.
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from the studys i have taken on mohammad, cursed be his name, he was a warlord, who tried to get the jews to like him, failing that killed the jews and christians, didnt even have a BASIC understanding of what christianity taught, (trinity for example) and killed everyone and everything that got in his way, but thats just my view, but i cant remeber the last time a catholic priest suicde bombed anything or a baptist minister car bombed a building with themselves still in the car

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='18 May 2010 - 12:34 AM' timestamp='1274157298' post='2112574']
You have turned my thread into a psychoanalysis of my person. Am I supposed to be happy or appreciative? I have been forced into a spotlight I never asked for, and quite frankly this intense focus on my person is completely inappropriate.
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Really?

[i]Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?". Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven". [/i]

I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you. Could you please drop the defenses for a moment and see a genuine, if flawed, attempt to do the right thing here?