Songwriter Gets Death Threat For Criticizing Working Women Fatwa

[Hassan]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='17 May 2010 - 03:51 PM' timestamp='1274125882' post='2112035']
What a man can't make a sammich now, nor fetch a beer? How is asking a man to make me a sammich sexist? No, really. The only way that such a thing is possible is for one to assume that sammich making and beer fetching is limited to women. Sammich making is a equal opportunity employer, lighten up.[/QUOTE]

I said that I suspect that by your professed standards I feel the wife comment was sexist. I was using your outrage about Jesus_lol's Palin comment as a metric.

I would find it to be funny had most people said it. But I was aghast that a stalwart attacker of even the most peripheral hint of sexism, such as someone saying that a woman handled her pregnancy irresponsibly and stupidly, would make a joke about the possibility of someone being a woman.




[QUOTE]Jimmy Johns is pretty good.
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They are. And they get paid to bring you food.

Edited May 17, 2010 by Hassan

[Hassan]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='17 May 2010 - 03:53 PM' timestamp='1274126030' post='2112038']
welcome to phatmass...where we debate the sexist nature of getting a beer and a sammich.[/QUOTE]

And question people's masculinity based on what alcohol they drink :unsure;

[QUOTE]speaking of that, where's HCF?
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making a sammich?

[MIKolbe]

with a side of slow, i suppose....

[Hassan]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='17 May 2010 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1274126565' post='2112054']
with a side of slow, i suppose....
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I don't appreciate your sexism.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Hassan' date='17 May 2010 - 03:58 PM' timestamp='1274126332' post='2112046']
I said that I suspect that by your professed standards I feel the wife comment was sexist. I was using your outrage about Jesus_lol's Palin comment as a metric.

I would find it to be funny had most people said it. But I was aghast that a stalwart attacker of even the most peripheral hint of sexism, in this case because someone felt that a woman handled her pregnancy irresponsibly and stupidly, would make a joke about the possibility of someone being a woman. [/quote]

Sarah Palin's a real woman, your not a woman at all. Asking you to make a sandwich shouldn't have been seen as sexist, because it's not limited to women only. Being compared to a wife shouldn't have upset you so much, there's nothing lowly about being a wife. You making someone a good wife someday was a comical way of pointing out that men, you can do all of the stereotypical 'wifely' duties.

[quote name='Hassan' date='17 May 2010 - 03:58 PM' timestamp='1274126332' post='2112046']They are. And they get paid to bring you food.
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It would be much easier if you'd just make me that sammich.

Edited May 17, 2010 by KnightofChrist

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='17 May 2010 - 04:25 PM' timestamp='1274127959' post='2112086']
You making someone a good wife someday was a comical way of pointing out that men, you can do all of the stereotypical 'wifely' duties.
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Odd, I thought everyone would have laughed at that. I mean, the general consensus is that [i]I[/i] am the uptight one. Looks like others need to "lighten up" too. LAWL.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='17 May 2010 - 03:53 PM' timestamp='1274126030' post='2112038']
welcome to phatmass...where we debate the sexist nature of getting a beer and a sammich.

speaking of that, where's HCF?
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Either people tell me to take a break, or people ask me where I am.

LAWL.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 May 2010 - 04:34 PM' timestamp='1274128452' post='2112106']
Either people tell me to take a break, or people ask me where I am.

LAWL.
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I think you are taking comments much to literally.

[HisChildForever]

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[MIKolbe]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 May 2010 - 04:34 PM' timestamp='1274128452' post='2112106']
Either people tell me to take a break, or people ask me where I am.

LAWL.
[/quote]
i just assumed you were making another 12 threads on islam.

I was just wondering which one....

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 May 2010 - 04:37 PM' timestamp='1274128639' post='2112117']
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[dominicansoul]

getting back to the point of the topic at hand...

I am saddened by these threats, and the general consensus seems to be, as always, to do absolutely nothing about them...look at what has happened even here, in our own country, with the South Park cartoon...can these people who threaten to kill be arrested? What does a person have to do to convince others how dangerous these extremists are?

Where is the outrage? Where is the condemnation? Will this person receive protection? Or will he have to go into hiding and live the rest of his life in anxiety and be fearful of every step?

...I fear his days [i]are[/i] numbered...


...and if women cannot work, then how do the muslim men eat, drink, live? If it weren't for the working women in the households, they would not survive...

[HisChildForever]

I had more important things to do.

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[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Hassan' date='16 May 2010 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1274040682' post='2111502']
http://www.nacional.hr/clanak/47685/zuroff-mesicu-osudite-organizatore-sakicevog-sprovoda

Here is a rough translation from google translate
[i]
irector of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Jerusalem, Efraim Zuroff said in an open letter to President Stipe Mesic exasperation with the way it organized the burial of a former commander of the Jasenovac concentration camp, Dinko Sakic.

"The idea that a former commander of Jasenovac, arguably one of the worst concentration camps in Europe during the Second World War, in which they systematically killed many innocent Serbs, Jews, Croats and Roma anti-fascists, it can be buried in his Ustasha uniform, and that when it this priest praised as a model for all Croatians, heavy is an insult to all those who were victims of the Ustasha, and for people who have a conscience around the world, "Zuroff said in a letter, inviting Mesic to condemn the organizers of the funeral, and the rhetoric of the priest who it led.

He added that the necessary condemnation of such 'violent racism shows', and that it is necessary to clarify the Croatian society as Sakic "a mass murderer who has disgraced the Croatian people", and that Croatia will only sacrifice the heritage of the Independent Croatian State and its fanatical extremists, Ustasha, can become a member of NATO and the European Union.

From the Office of the President reminded however that the President now many times extremely clearly condemned Ustasha crimes, marking the Ustasha regime as a criminal, and he expected the reaction of all the relevant institutions. "As priests in the exercise of religious worship does not act as private persons, it is impossible to interpret the words spoken on Šakićevom burial as a personal point of view of priests who have guided him," the statement said the President's Office in response to the rhetoric expressed by the Dominican patera Vjekoslav Lasic.

Lasic at the funeral Šakićevom said the court that convicted Dinko Sakic 'condemned Croatia and the Croatian people. In his speech, weasel, and he claimed that the NDH foundation of today's Croatian homeland, and that each should be proud Croat Šakićevim name.
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Here is the long and short.

The Priest in question condemned the trial which convicted Dinko Šakić.

Croatia in the 40's was not a very nice place. The Ustaše (A radical Roman Catholic fascist group formed after WWI) managed to convince Hitler and Himmler that the Croats were actually the descendants of Goths and thus not Slavs. The Ustaše formed a strategic alliance with Croatian Muslims, eager to join despite Clerical Fatwa's condemning an alliance with fascism after emerging from a round of savage persecution by the Serbs, and set about their goal. What was that goal? To promote and ethnically pure state. In their view the Muslims were ethnic Croats and defeated and thus not a problem, but Yugoslavia's other major faction, the Serbs, were neither ethnically pure nor defeated. The Ustaše set about securing their homeland through a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 policy. The would kill a third of all the Serbs in the area, drive out another third, and forcibly convert another third to Roman Catholicism. They were the architects of the Holocaust in Yugoslavia (of course Roma and Jews were to be dealt with as well, but they weren't a threat like the Serbs were).

The man that that Priest was defending was a major part of those death camps.

How interesting. A Priest defending a mass murder who was part of the program to forcibly convert Serbs to Roman Catholicism. Now, had this man been a cleric defending a Muslim member of the Fascist Croatian government of WWII who wants to guess what conclusions HCF would draw? I'm willing to bet a month's rent that it would not be the same conclusion she would draw from this article. I'm willing to be that here she would point out that there is nothing in the Gospels to support the mythologized racism of the Ustaše or this Priest.

This would be a fair point and perfectly correct. However she uses quite a different standard when it comes to Muslims and Islam. If a Muslim uses religion to justify his wicked actions, then that is enough for her. Even if his actions are not sanctioned by Sharia' or mainstream Sunni thought. If he says 'Allahu Akhbar' before throwing acid on a young woman who has rejected his marriage proposal, then his actions are caused by Islam, never mind that the Hadith gives an adult woman the right to reject a marriage proposal. But if a Catholic does something wicked it has nothing to do with Catholicism because official Church dogma does not sanction such an action.

The hypocrisy is obvious. In one case causality is established by the mere expressed intent of the offender, in another case the offender's intent is absolutely irrelevant if it is not sanctioned by official dogma.

I'm sure that HCF will now recognize the internal inconstancy of her methodology and correct it accordingly.

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Jesus did not teach us to evangelize the world by force, but with love. Jesus also taught us to "love your enemies, do good to those who hate you." Does this sound like this priest followed the words of Jesus, or his own prejudice and his own extremism? This priest is in grave error. Extremists of any faith, belief, religion, should be condemned.

[HisChildForever]

A Christian "extremist" is one who loves unconditionally. I cannot say the same for an Islam "extremist".