Songwriter Gets Death Threat For Criticizing Working Women Fatwa

[Hassan]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='17 May 2010 - 04:52 PM' timestamp='1274129562' post='2112148']
Jesus did not teach us to evangelize the world by force, but with love. Jesus also taught us to "love your enemies, do good to those who hate you." Does this sound like this priest followed the words of Jesus, or his own prejudice and his own extremism? This priest is in grave error. Extremists of any faith, belief, religion, should be condemned.
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I said there is no basis in the Gospel's for the Priest's mythologized racism. However, if one applied the standards HCF uses when attacking Islam to this Priest, they would be able to conclude that Catholicism caused the horrors of Croatia's fascist party.

There is also no basis in the Hadith or Qur'an for a man arbitrarily deciding to throw acid in the face of an independent woman who rejects his marriage proposal. In fact there is a Hadith where a woman challenges Muhammad. She demands to know if it is her right to reject a man's proposal that her father wants her to accept. He says she should obey her father's will. She then demands to know if she must follow his will. Muhammad says no, she may reject it. She then reveals that she actually had no objection to the marriage, she simply wanted to ensure that it was recorded for other women that The Prophet of Islam had affirmed their right to reject a man's proposal, even if their father wants it. Yet HCF, APO and the usual crowd still claim that the man's actions were caused by Islam, despite the authoritative texts going against this sort of activity. Would you want Catholicism judged this way? Would you accept it if I claimed that while Christ may have said you must love your enemies and pray for those who hate you, Christianity [i]really[/i] causes people to hate their enemies and pray for God's curse on those who hate them?

The motivation of the Croat fascist party falls under an ideology popular with many Catholic fascist movements (I forget the name). The Vatican did not incite the Croation fascists to commit their atrocities. And in the 90's the Vatican issued a document officially denouncing the ideology. Yet using HCF's methodology, I should still attribute the causal powers to Roman Catholicism in itself to whatever latest hateful action Croat neo-Nazi's commit because Croat fascists (historically at least) justify their activities through twith their faith and claim it sanctions them.

Edited May 17, 2010 by Hassan

[HisChildForever]

All one needs to do is compare Christ and Muhammad.

[HisChildForever]

Also, where is my beer. Chop chop.

[MIKolbe]

may i offer you an appletini? They are DE-lish!

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 May 2010 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1274129748' post='2112156']
A Christian "extremist" is one who loves unconditionally. I cannot say the same for an Islam "extremist".
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You are correct. Let me clarify. This priest in hassan's example was NOT a [i]Christian[/i] extremist, although many would see him that way. In fact, he may be blinded by the thought that his extreme hatred for his enemy is somehow pleasing to the Lord. St. Paul, when he was Saul of Tarsus, thought he was very pleasing to the Lord with his over zealous hatred towards Christians, and he acted upon this zeal by tracking and hunting them down. AT the end of the day, he would probably feel pretty good about himself, that he was such an outstanding Jew. The same could be said for this priest. In some aspect, Paul was the good Jew. In the case of this priest, He is a very bad Catholic for supporting murder.

From what I have learned in these islamic threads on phatmass, (I have no formal teaching on islam,) I understand that it is quite different in islam...that extremism is actually the norm, that for them to be considered outstanding muslims, they are to embrace this extreme belief that all others are infidels, and must be destroyed. So, in that case, there truly is a huge difference, and I see no problem with your methodology, HCF.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='17 May 2010 - 05:07 PM' timestamp='1274130453' post='2112174']
may i offer you an appletini? They are DE-lish!
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I am going out for sushi soon. And am then seeing Robin Hood.

[MIKolbe]

salmon skin roll and spider rolls on me!!!

(by me I mean Hassan)

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Hassan' date='17 May 2010 - 05:00 PM' timestamp='1274130005' post='2112162']
I said there is no basis in the Gospel's for the Priest's mythologized racism. However, if one applied the standards HCF uses when attacking Islam to this Priest, they would be able to conclude that Catholicism caused the horrors of Croatia's fascist party.

There is also no basis in the Hadith or Qur'an for a man arbitrarily deciding to throw acid in the face of an independent woman who rejects his marriage proposal. In fact there is a Hadith where a woman challenges Muhammad. She demands to know if it is her right to reject a man's proposal that her father wants her to accept. He says she should obey her father's will. She then demands to know if she must follow his will. Muhammad says no, she may reject it. She then reveals that she actually had no objection to the marriage, she simply wanted to ensure that it was recorded for other women that The Prophet of Islam had affirmed their right to reject a man's proposal, even if their father wants it. Yet HCF, APO and the usual crowd still claim that the man's actions were caused by Islam, despite the authoritative texts going against this sort of activity. Would you want Catholicism judged this way? Would you accept it if I claimed that while Christ may have said you must love your enemies and pray for those who hate you, Christianity [i]really[/i] causes people to hate their enemies and pray for God's curse on those who hate them?
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no, and I hate it that people do generalize about Catholicism all the time, just look at pedophilia in the priesthood. It is condemned in our faith, and yet, the majority of the world thinks we Catholics uphold pedophilia in the priesthood, and we don't condemn the actions and behavior of these wolves in sheep's clothing. I don't like people making blanket judgements of my Church because of the actions of a very few. And like I said before, I am not learned in Islam, so much of it is unknown by me...I would not want to judge any person or belief system. That is between them and God. And if it is true, what you say, that it isn't in the teaching of islam to throw acid on the face of a woman who refuses your proposal, than I would not want to judge the whole of islam on the actions of these idiots...

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='17 May 2010 - 05:07 PM' timestamp='1274130453' post='2112175']
You are correct. Let me clarify. This priest in hassan's example was NOT a [i]Christian[/i] extremist, although many would see him that way. In fact, he may be blinded by the thought that his extreme hatred for his enemy is somehow pleasing to the Lord. St. Paul, when he was Saul of Tarsus, thought he was very pleasing to the Lord with his over zealous hatred towards Christians, and he acted upon this zeal by tracking and hunting them down. AT the end of the day, he would probably feel pretty good about himself, that he was such an outstanding Jew. The same could be said for this priest. In some aspect, Paul was the good Jew. In the case of this priest, He is a very bad Catholic for supporting murder.

From what I have learned in these islamic threads on phatmass, (I have no formal teaching on islam,) I understand that it is quite different in islam...that extremism is actually the norm, that for them to be considered outstanding muslims, they are to embrace this extreme belief that all others are infidels, and must be destroyed. So, in that case, there truly is a huge difference, and I see no problem with your methodology, HCF.
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You deserve a beer too! Pity the service is so horrible.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='17 May 2010 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1274130687' post='2112182']
salmon skin roll and spider rolls on me!!!

(by me I mean Hassan)
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I eat non-fish sushi.

[Hassan]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='17 May 2010 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1274130687' post='2112182']
salmon skin roll and spider rolls on me!!!

(by me I mean Hassan)
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Can I bring my flask?

[HisChildForever]

You are not invited.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 May 2010 - 05:12 PM' timestamp='1274130764' post='2112186']
You deserve a beer too! Pity the service is so horrible.
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Thanks! I would like a Labatt Blue...who's buying? Hassan???

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 May 2010 - 05:06 PM' timestamp='1274130406' post='2112172']
Also, where is my beer. Chop chop.
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I don't have any beer. You're welcome to some Vodka.

Edited May 17, 2010 by Hassan

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 May 2010 - 05:14 PM' timestamp='1274130849' post='2112190']
You are not invited.
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I don't believe I asked you.