ThePenciledOne Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 (edited) [url="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2010/05/memorial-day-and-the-religious-syncretism-of-the-state/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheJesusManifesto+%28%3A%3A+the+Jesus+Manifesto+%3A%3A%29&utm_content=FaceBook"]Memorial Day and the Religious Syncretism of the State[/url] The article is just a reflection from a doctoral student, and reminds us how we should view Memorial day as Christians. I am not saying that we should not observe it and neither is he, but for some of us we do often mingle our religious beliefs with the civil units of society, and that is a bit much in some cases in which Mr. lafrate points out. He makes quite a few reasonable and interesting points, in which I think are valuable to us. And for the record this is not an article against Memorial day, only that we should watch exactly how we observe the day and other government special days (including Independence Day which is in a few weeks) Just wanted to share. Edited May 30, 2010 by ThePenciledOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 I agree with him on most parts. I often find myself looking at these holidays and where they fall in the week. I can understand a priest incorporating the "holiday" to the point that yes, he makes mention of it in his homily and leaves it at that. Our priest is a former Army Chaplin of over 30 years and the only mention that he made of Memorial Day was that he hoped the weather would hold for those visiting cemeteries tomorrow. As for Thanksgiving, I can usually find a way to make it more "religious" for me as it usually falls on the feast day of St. Catherine of Alexandria. I usually opt to celebrate that instead. My family doesn't mind that at all since they are just happy to see me. God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) The Jesus Manifesto should not be a trusted site of information for Catholics. Many of it's articles are anti-catholic, from articles claiming that Christ was raped, to how boring and fake praying the rosary is unless it's prayed for "Social Justice", to how traditional Christianity 'wrongly' sees homosexuality as sinful. And of course the heresy of anarchy attacking the God given authority of the Church as well as the State. Anyway... God bless [u]our[/u] troops. Edited May 31, 2010 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted May 31, 2010 Author Share Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='30 May 2010 - 09:06 PM' timestamp='1275264368' post='2120866'] The Jesus Manifesto should not be a trusted site of information for Catholics. Many of it's articles are anti-catholic, from articles claiming that Christ was raped, to how boring and fake praying the rosary is unless it's prayed for "Social Justice", to how traditional Christianity 'wrongly' sees homosexuality as sinful. And of course the heresy of anarchy attacking the God given authority of the Church as well as the State. Anyway... God bless [u]our[/u] troops. [/quote] That's fine. I wasn't speaking of the website itself, and I can already catch the whiff of generalizations here, but the thing is that I liked the perspective here. Which I see you were to fixated on other things to comment rather than the legitimate points made. I was speaking of this [url="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2010/05/memorial-day-and-the-religious-syncretism-of-the-state/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheJesusManifesto+%28%3A%3A+the+Jesus+Manifesto+%3A%3A%29&utm_content=FaceBook"]article[/url]. Not the website as a whole. Edited May 31, 2010 by ThePenciledOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='30 May 2010 - 08:06 PM' timestamp='1275264368' post='2120866'] God bless [u]our[/u] troops. [/quote] I didn't read the article so I don't know if this was directed at anything in it, but praying for only our troops is not only anti-Christian it is anti-patriotic. Nothing can be better for the nation than God's Will, and that can only be brought about by praying for our enemies as well. If our enemies are blessed maybe we won't need war at all. Edited May 31, 2010 by aalpha1989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 [quote name='aalpha1989' date='30 May 2010 - 08:14 PM' timestamp='1275264895' post='2120868'] I didn't read the article so I don't know if this was directed at anything in it, but praying for only our troops is not only anti-Christian it is anti-patriotic. Nothing can be better for the nation than God's Will, and that can only be brought about by praying for our enemies as well. If our enemies are blessed maybe we won't need war at all. [/quote] The vast majority of people who pray for the troops do not pray for them alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='30 May 2010 - 08:19 PM' timestamp='1275265152' post='2120870'] The vast majority of people who pray for the troops do not pray for them alone. [/quote] I thought by your emphasis of the word "our" you were implying "not their". If this wasn't the case then I am truly sorry; just another example of my pride and rashness in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='30 May 2010 - 08:12 PM' timestamp='1275264726' post='2120867'] That's fine. I wasn't speaking of the website itself, and I can already catch the whiff of generalizations here, but the thing is that I liked the perspective here. Which I see you were to fixated on other things to comment rather than the legitimate points made. I was speaking of this [url="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2010/05/memorial-day-and-the-religious-syncretism-of-the-state/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheJesusManifesto+%28%3A%3A+the+Jesus+Manifesto+%3A%3A%29&utm_content=FaceBook"]article[/url]. Not the website as a whole. [/quote] The source of information is as important as the information. The [i]legitimate points made[/i] are made through the prism of some type of pro-anarchism. Which greatly invalidates them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted May 31, 2010 Author Share Posted May 31, 2010 [quote name='aalpha1989' date='30 May 2010 - 09:14 PM' timestamp='1275264895' post='2120868'] I didn't read the article so I don't know if this was directed at anything in it, but praying for only our troops is not only anti-Christian it is anti-patriotic. Nothing can be better for the nation than God's Will, and that can only be brought about by praying for our enemies as well. If our enemies are blessed maybe we won't need war at all. [/quote] You should for you will understand where KoC is coming from with that. And the writer of the article points out how Americans (using a generalization) often mix their patriotic or civil beliefs with their religious ones, (read the article for better clarification of this). And he is not saying that we shouldn't pray for our troops, we should absolutely pray for their safety. And I agree with your last statement referring to our enemies as well. [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='30 May 2010 - 09:38 PM' timestamp='1275266339' post='2120881'] The source of information is as important as the information. The [i]legitimate points made[/i] are made through the prism of some type of pro-anarchism. Which greatly invalidates them. [/quote] Are you sure? Did you read the writer's short bio? He is working on a doctorate in theology and his knowledge and words against the churches that insert civil markings or songs into the mass makes me think of him being valid. And I would think that the last statement than anything else, since you are referring to the source of which you assume it emerges, rather than the actual points and argument made. And I still find it interesting you have nothing else to say that goes directly toward the article. I guess he made some pretty decent points for you to find no quick rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='30 May 2010 - 07:06 PM' timestamp='1275264368' post='2120866'] God bless [u]our[/u] troops. [/quote] "We" don't have any troops. The State does. I am not an appendage of the State, nor is it my appendage. I am not Borg. May God bless the troops that fight for every State against every other State. It seems kind of silly and tragic when you put it in a proper Catholic light, doesn't it? And may God bless Stateless freelancers who oppose the United State military, too. ~Sternhauser Edited May 31, 2010 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='30 May 2010 - 07:38 PM' timestamp='1275266339' post='2120881'] The source of information is as important as the information. The [i]legitimate points made[/i] are made through the prism of some type of pro-anarchism. Which greatly invalidates them. [/quote] Truth is not invalidated by its conduit, whether it be good or evil. And I certainly contest the notion that the source is evil or even rejects any of the fulness of truth. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='30 May 2010 - 08:49 PM' timestamp='1275266976' post='2120898'] You should for you will understand where KoC is coming from with that. And the writer of the article points out how Americans (using a generalization) often mix their patriotic or civil beliefs with their religious ones, (read the article for better clarification of this). And he is not saying that we shouldn't pray for our troops, we should absolutely pray for their safety. And I agree with your last statement referring to our enemies as well.[/quote] This is where he supports anarchism, there is nothing wrong with Civil Allegiance and having a national identity, which includes patriotism and obedience. It is a sacred duty to lay down one's life for the safety of ones Nation. Thus there is nothing wrong with praying for 'our' troops at Mass. Nor is having Flags at Church against any rubrics, it is up to the local Bishop to chose if or if not a flag can be placed in the Church. [quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='30 May 2010 - 08:49 PM' timestamp='1275266976' post='2120898']Are you sure? Did you read the writer's short bio? He is working on a doctorate in theology and his knowledge and words against the churches that insert civil markings or songs into the mass makes me think of him being valid. And I would think that the last statement than anything else, since you are referring to the source of which you assume it emerges, rather than the actual points and argument made. And I still find it interesting you have nothing else to say that goes directly toward the article. I guess he made some pretty decent points for you to find no quick rebuttal. [/quote] I've look into other writings of his, he post other articles in full support of the anarchist way, and posts on other anarchist websites. I do not typically waste time responding to anti-catholic or non-catholic articles which purpose heresies. That goes for all anti-catholic websites whether it is jesusissavor or jesusmanifesto. Thou the former is much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted May 31, 2010 Author Share Posted May 31, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='30 May 2010 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1275268610' post='2120916'] I've look into other writings of his, he post other articles in full support of the anarchist way, and posts on other anarchist websites. I do not typically waste time responding to anti-catholic or non-catholic articles which purpose heresies. That goes for all anti-catholic websites whether it is jesusissavor or jesusmanifesto. Thou the former is much worse. [/quote] Ok, then. As I said was just asking for those to think about, which I guess you have. So thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='30 May 2010 - 08:59 PM' timestamp='1275267545' post='2120910']who oppose the United State military [/quote] United State[u]s[/u]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 (edited) [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='30 May 2010 - 08:23 PM' timestamp='1275269021' post='2120921'] United State[u]s[/u]. [/quote] No, it's just a misnomer. I'd like to see a mini-State try to exercise any of the powers recognized in the Constitution, such as instituting a mini-State religion. The Federal State would step in and crush them if they resisted. No, it's just one State, for all practical purposes. It's just one big State that has little appendages, appendages of one main idea sustained by the threat of violence. A bunch of tentacles, one hydra. If a man threatened to beat or kill his wife if she tried to get away from him for being a senseless and violent drunkard, I wouldn't call that arrangement "union," would you? ~Sternhauser Edited May 31, 2010 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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